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Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M
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I have a new turntable and have a £500 budget for a phono stage. I've only ever used on-board stages, so I've no idea what sounds good with what.

 

I've read good things about the above 2 stages. Does anyone have experience of both? Is it just a question of valves vs solid state?

 

Please educate me! I listen to all sorts.

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

Waxy,

Get over on Graham Slee forums, sign up and you can home demo some phono stages fro free!

I really think if your spending that sort of money then home demos are needed.

Obviously the Nag is new - how are you finding the presentation?

Are you using the onkyp inbuilt phono? 

 

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

Yes, I saw the home demo option. Very tempting.

 

i am using the phono stage of the amp. It's reasonably quiet in terms of background noise but I've been wondering if a separate stage could help reduce this?

 

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

I did exactly as Steve suggests and joined the Slee forum to take advantage of the two week home loan. I hadn't intended to go top of the range, but having hung around there a while I decided to try the Reflex M.  I absolutely loved it and still do, having purchased one soon after the loan finished.  I have no experience of the Croft, so can't help you there, but I do, very strongly, recommend the Reflex M.

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

ifor wrote:

I did exactly as Steve suggests and joined the Slee forum to take advantage of the two week home loan. I hadn't intended to go top of the range, but having hung around there a while I decided to try the Reflex M.  I absolutely loved it and still do, having purchased one soon after the loan finished.  I have no experience of the Croft, so can't help you there, but I do, very strongly, recommend the Reflex M.

 

 

My experience is the other way round, Croft but no Graham Slee. The point is, valves have a way of dealing with the tiny cartridge signal that has to be experienced to be appreciated . . . 'dont bother' and you might be missing out?

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It seems that Croft is not widely sold so getting to hear it could be a problem. There's the rub. I can get a demo of the GS via the loan scheme. I may be blown away and want one, but there would still be that feeling of "I wonder what the Croft sounds like"...

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

If your blown away and like the sound - what does it matter really regards to the other product.  There is always better out there doesnt matter what it is

Do a home demo of the Slee and see if you like it - if you dont its made your mind up, if you do - Great you know its money well spent.

 

If you do loan some Slee kit  I would imagine you will end up demoing more of his kit and maybe or maybe not liking that as well....

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

ellisdj wrote:

If your blown away and like the sound - what does it matter really regards to the other product.  There is always better out there doesnt matter what it is

 

Well, let's be honest. None of this really matters!

It's about preference, not what is 'best'.  Wink

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

Waxy wrote:
It seems that Croft is not widely sold so getting to hear it could be a problem.

Well you could always give Glenn a call and ask the question , ye never know  :).

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True, Croft dealerships are limited, but in my humble opinion, the brand is worth the effort, you get a lot of SQ for your money. 'You will always wonder'? . . . :?

Talk to 'Steve', he shied away from valves for a long time, eventually making the effort . . . the rest is history, as they say.

What part of the country do you live Waxy?

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Very much of a muchness I would guess. If you are going to splash your cash and you feel the phono stage in your amp is not up to it then I would suggest you get a pnono preamp that will cope with low output moving coils as well as MM as this will secure you a further upgrade path for the future.

Spending large amounts on a phono preamp that is moving magnet only is a false economy and you'd be better just spending it on a new cartridge. Smile

 

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

Well, I'm in no hurry to make a decision. I'm just going to enjoy the next few weeks listening to LPs through the phono stage of the Onkyo. It does sound very good. I may decide that an external stage just isn't necessary. I have registered with the GS forum so maybe in a few weeks I'll put the feelers out about a loan. 

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What part of the country do you live Waxy? CJSF

 

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Enjoy the Nag 

 

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

I hope he is as we do tend to push them a lot. Smile

Not too sure on the capabilities of the Onkyo phono stage but at least it's got one.

Save money on a phono preamp and buy more vinyl. :grin:

 

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RE: Croft Acoustics RIAA or Graham Slee Reflex M

Thats the magic of the free home trial - puts curiosioty to bed - but does quite often lighen the wallet

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