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RE: Cartridge/Stylus scales

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310670058149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Fantastic little scales. Tiny and seemingly accurate (I took them to a local jeweller which had certified calibration weights). It was out by 0.01g though that could well have been because I forgot to clean the weighing platform before I went there. Probably the weight of a finger print.

Saves quite a bit of money over the dedicated turntable ones though it doesn't measure down to a thousand/g.

Haven't had time to use it on my tables yet but cleaned a new'ish 5pence coin with alcohol (as well as the weighing platform) and it measures 3.25g, exactly as should per Royal Mint. Will keep that as future calibration weight if needed.

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I was 'old school' and always used the Shure SFG-2.

I still have it in its box in my little 'museum' (box of bits in the under stairs cupboard along with JPW Sonatas and MS20i Pearls and old cables etc.)

It was always far more accurate than the tracking force dials on all the Rega arms I ever used. (Despite being great tonearms, they were shockingly innacurate by as much as +/- 10 percent out!)

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Dont get rid of those pearls.

 

A couple of days ago I played around with my Thorens currently fitted with an Ortofon VMS20E MKII and I listened through headphones adjusting weight (by counter weight) from .5g (!) to 1.5g. The Cart is rated at .75 to 1.25g with 1g recommended.

The Ortofon is known as a good tracker and fits the l/m arm of the Thorens well. I was surprised though at the relatively small difference in sound in that whole 1g range. I expected more. Sure, bass audibly lightened a little but pitch was still discernible. No inner groove distortion or overly pronounced or distorted sibilants at 0.5g and no mis-tracking though the record used wasn't warped etc... . Equally, going above the recommended maximum only slightly subdued high frequency playback with bass now slightly heavier than at the recommended 1g.  - Not better, not worse than going below recommendation but I can see why they recommend the middle, 1g. How accurate my arm counter weight is, dunno but I'll measure properly once I get a chance.

Got a Shure M97ex on order but think I may have made a mistake there as I dont want to loose any high frequencies, one of the problems reported with that cart if loading can't be adjusted (I use an internal phono stage, non-adjustable).

I like vinyl and have gone from none to about 80 records in three months. Expensive hobby though I got some bargains.

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That looks like a bargain as I was looking at getting a scale to accurately set up my tone arm/cartridge.

Cheers for that will be buying one 

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andybeau wrote:

That looks like a bargain as I was looking at getting a scale to accurately set up my tone arm/cartridge.

Cheers for that will be buying one 

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drummerman wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310670058149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Fantastic little scales. Tiny and seemingly accurate (I took them to a local jeweller which had certified calibration weights). It was out by 0.01g though that could well have been because I forgot to clean the weighing platform before I went there. Probably the weight of a finger print.

Saves quite a bit of money over the dedicated turntable ones though it doesn't measure down to a thousand/g.

Haven't had time to use it on my tables yet but cleaned a new'ish 5pence coin with alcohol (as well as the weighing platform) and it measures 3.25g, exactly as should per Royal Mint. Will keep that as future calibration weight if needed.

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Bought on just now! 

Thanks for the tip...  Cool

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Me too!
Wonder what reference to check calibration

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drummerman wrote:

 

Haven't had time to use it on my tables yet but cleaned a new'ish 5pence coin with alcohol (as well as the weighing platform) and it measures 3.25g, exactly as should per Royal Mint. Will keep that as future calibration weight if needed.

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ok so I have ordered one of these!

When i check my cartridge weight, do i put the scale on my platter then lower the tone armon to the scale? or is there a science to it?

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stevebrock wrote:

ok so I have ordered one of these!

When i check my cartridge weight, do i put the scale on my platter then lower the tone armon to the scale? or is there a science to it?

My Rega dealer put the scale on the midle of the platter an low the arm. 

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chebby wrote:

I was 'old school' and always used the Shure SFG-2.

 

 

As is my local dealer. When I had my new 2M Blue fitted last week he used one of these, and he told me he had done for as long as he can remember.

 

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It also opens up other possibilities such as tonearm/cartridge modifications (or even a tonearm build) where mass is crucial and guessing may not give the results desired.

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Mine have been sent! Should get then delivered tomorrow!

 

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RE: Cartridge/Stylus scales

Last year I was laughed at for such attention to detail . . . what is different this year?  You will find the scales give a point of referance to which you can return with confidence.   Changing stylus presure changes the sound, you can set the sound the way you like it.  I found a tad lighter than recomended was best for me.  However, as has been noted, the weight of a 'finger print' can have you running around in circles.  Picking up your referance weight with tweezers helps.

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CJSF wrote:

Last year I was laughed at for such attention to detail . . . what is different this year?  

Noobs/vinyl engine/tinterwebby =  your posts never existed Cj , simples. So keep looking in Cj as we may learn something ,lol. 

 

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