Ah, just noticed you already got a Table ...
Rega and Project seem almost the defacto choice in that range for new TT's.
I would probably look for a s/h Michell as it has suspension but the choice of cartridge (and the correct match to the arm) will at least make as much difference.
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As to the suggested Technics tables, whilst reportedly very good in mint condition and upgradeable, many have been owned by kids, used as DJ decks, trashed and neglected. Tread carefully. They also command premium prices and I think its difficult to get a bargain. Have a look on the bay and the number of bids they usually get but I agree that the potential for a very good TT is there if you get a good one and spend some money on it.
I'd probably stay away from the likes of Planar's, you get a half decent arm and the rest is binable.
Having followed you over the years (not literally, rest assured) I would probably go for some new entry project (carbon?) or Rega equivelant. They are ready to use, have warranty and if you decide to upgrade or give up on vinyl you can sell on and still get a decent return but you could of course get more and in most likelyhood better buying s/h if you are prepared for a little servicing.
All imo only and you know a few months ago I didn't even know what a record was
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I am loath to suggest anything that PP can't get to listen to localy ,idealy at home with his *phono and cart* as this is crux. One mans meat and all that.
I'm guessing that you will be sticking with the same cart and onboard phono here PP.
Allocating around £600-£700 give or take.
That's enough for a good Sl1210 and an Origin live Rega armplate + arm.
It's also enough for a Rega RP3 with a decent cartridge and/or Rega TT-PSU.
However, you will never buy anything like the Technics from e-bay and you will probably dismiss it as not being a genuine hi-fi turntable (it is in spades), so I suppose I shouldn't have suggested it.
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I haven't got ClearAudio cart tattooed over me. :) I'm prepared to move away from that make of cart if necessary, in the same way I moved away from Arcam stuff, and Rega RP6 does tick most of my 'like' boxes, but it seems every one tends to go for Rega (message to Rega fanboys: That make great TTs but...), so maybe looking for a viable alternative. The Technics doesn't appeal as much as other makes because... I know I know I know I know I'm the first to mention "only use reviews as a guideline" but the upgrade needs to be worthwhile in terms of shear SQ.
The ones I've seen sold, albeit not that recently:
Gyro SE (S/hand)
ClearAudio Concept (ex-dem)
Roksan Radius (wood version)
Pro-ject Experience (acryllic)
Like any component it need to be the 'right fit'.
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That's where the "give or take" comes in.
This are the two that i would hightlight for you to demo...
The Clearaudio Concept if you find one ex-demo don't look back, but you already know that don't you?
Well you aint going to achieve that 'right fit' second hand are you , because all you will be doing is taking a flyer with your fingers crossed.
That's why I generally prefer high street dealers: You can look, feel and listen to it before buying.
Way to go PP. Ok if like me you have a few TTs and fancy trying something different then s/h is no great shakes. But this is a tad different.
On the list you posted earlier ,with the exception of the Roksan cos I havnt had my mits on it , the Gyro blitzes all of them in my honest opinion. Great deck all round as it dosnt really do owt wrong. Regas dont do it for me , speed instability and wow like a good un. Sorry Rega fan boys but its there and I can hear it.
All of them will prolly give you the upgrade in sq that you want but the Gyro will give it you big time , but hey you may not like it so go listen.
Certainly the Gyros look gorgeous - wouldn't look out of place in a art gallery. Would be a serious contender, as would some of the others I've mentioned, but my dealers only do one or two makes, while the Gyros are stocked at others. Pro-ject is the most accessible.
Unipivots (Clearaudio Concept stock arm I think) have certain inherent weaknesses which make sense if you read into the technical side of it, so personally I would probably avoid them and choose something with 'proper' bearings.
Having said that, some like them and again, the correct match of cartridge/arm is arguably just as important.
Well, conventional ball bearing based tonearms also have inherent technical weaknesses, as do tonearms themselves, so perhaps the best way out is to buy a CD player?
Seems to me that you like the Techy side of things Mr D so if you geek up on Clearaudios Verify Tonearm you will see all aint as it appears . .
I couldnt get on with it at all compared to 'normal' unipivots.
So what influence does the Unipivot have on SQ, and is it detectable in the average living room?
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