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180g vs Standard Pressings.
Hi Everyone. I know this has probably been discussed a lot in the past but I wanted to hear your experiences on the benefits or any disadvantages of 180g vinyl and standard pressings… Although I am relatively new to building up my collection. I have found that predominantly all the pressings of my favourite music seem to be re-released in 180g. Any original releases I have are physically much thinner and seem to have a lot more energy and ‘punch’ I’m led to believe that a thicker slab gives a deeper richer bass, but is this always an advantage? Do any of you make a point of looking for or avoiding 180g if you can? Does anyone own the same record in both 180g and standard Does 180g cause more correction to have to be made within the phono stage? Also, does a bigger piece of vinyl cause more problems with un wanted vibration within the mechanics of the deck? I have to say that the more vinyl I get hold of the more I’m enjoying the whole ‘ownership’ of it. The art work and lyric sheets etc are usually very special and make you feel that you’ve purchased more than just the music.   Dave @ Fanthorpes.

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Covenanter?

Covenanter? Smile

It's fairly rare to find anything that isn't 180gram nowadays, particularly new releases, and 200gram seems to be creeping in for some box sets and special releases. 

I can't say I've compared any directly, although a few customers have commented that the heavier ones seem to sound better. Obviously there's a few technical reasons why they are better, and I'm sure these benefits will make themselves known even on decent quality budget decks. 

The thinner vinyl probably sound punchier because it has less bass. Bass performance is the first thing to suffer with vinyl, and the heavier vinyl improves that, so I'd probably take thicker vinyl every time! 

I would expect a thicker piece of vinyl to be less prone to vibration. A record clamp should sort things out though - on that note, Michell have just released a record clamp designed for Rega decks - a couple of our regulars are sending back good reports...

I've mentioned in other posts that with records, it feels like you physically own something compared to a download. Which of course, you do Smile

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Cheers Andy.

Cheers Andy.

Think that's sorted now.

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Andy Clough wrote:

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Hi Dave@Fanthorpes

Can you please update your signature in your profile settings to make it clear you're a member of the trade. If you do that then it will automatically pull through every time you post and save you having to add it manually.

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Can David @ FrankHarvey be asked to do the same in his signature too?

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I cannot say I've ever

I cannot say I've ever compared them except a couple of MoFi special releases I bought back in the pre-CD era.  But I suspect they weren't identical masters; either second gen or tweaked to sound 'cleaner'.

Haven't indulged in new LPs (by which I mean post 2000) when the source is digital, as I tend to prefer CD or download with new material, and analoge LPs (AAA you might say) for pre-CD.   It is interesting how some LPs seem to fit perfectly on the TT, whereas others have a slight warp, ripple or eccentricity, which was often made them frustrating.   Clamps can definitely help, but probably remove some of the colouration which some feel is inherent in the medium.

 

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Perhaps there is definitely
Perhaps there is definitely something to be said for a well built solid deck using a clamp to help control the vinyl whilst it’s being played. Avid turn tables which I’ve had some experience with use a design which is centred around a clamp, which fixes the vinyl to a central spindle. The theory here is to dissipate any unwanted vibrations through the main bearing. All their decks have a distinct character which is one of a very organised and clearly set out soundstage.  The quality of the pressing is obviously vital. I have found one or two copies to be a little too ‘warm’ or ‘bassy’ being used to listening to the same albums on CD for so many years I guess some of it is due to the difference between 180g vinyl and CD being a big one any way you look at it.

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chebby wrote:

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Andy Clough wrote:

Hi Dave@Fanthorpes

Can you please update your signature in your profile settings to make it clear you're a member of the trade. If you do that then it will automatically pull through every time you post and save you having to add it manually.

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Can David @ FrankHarvey be asked to do the same in his signature too?

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Nice one Chebby!

 

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Cheers Andy.

Think that's sorted now.

Perfect!

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And Chebby, I think you'll find David@FrankHarveyHiFi has done his too.

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the change in sound is as

the change in sound is as much down to mastering as it is to vinyl weight, I have a number of 70's original albums, that I have duplicated with modern remastered versions. While not in all cases, but in the majority, I prefer the original wafer thin vinyl edition. It could be because I am used to the sound, but I think that a number of the remasters may have a ''cleaner'' sound, but have lost some the rythme and energy of the originals.,

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What difference is there if the tone arm is raised and lowered to suit the thickness of the LP.

I hope there are no users of suspension TTs rushing out to buy record clamps.

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Not as important as it

Not as important as it originally seemed, it seems...

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I think the extra weight of

I think the extra weight of heavier pressings can sometimes bring the illusion of quality. 

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Everyone is entitled to an

Everyone is entitled to an opinion as always, but are you saying that it makes no difference at all? Maybe all DACs do sound the same. Maybe all amplifiers do sound the same. Maybe cables make no difference at all. What's left to discuss on forums?

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion as always, but are you saying that it makes no difference at all? Maybe all DACs do sound the same. Maybe all amplifiers do sound the same. Maybe cables make no difference at all. What's left to discuss on forums?

Well now . . . I have recently put a thread up; 'something realy different' . . . and not new at all, but in the context of medern hifi it dont get much of an airing.  'Full rang drivers/speakers', eliminates 'all' the electronics in the speaker cabinet, nothing between amp and driver, (other than cable) no fussing about the amount of power required from you amp to drive the speaker . . . The one issue, they aint cheap, but then, neither are quality speakers with crossovers.

Think about it . . . 'nothing in the way to colour your sound'?

CJSF

 

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