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This morning I accidently watched 'Michel Roux's Service'.

A group of young adults learn the ropes of how to do service, building up to do just that in one MR's Michelin star awarded restaurants ultimately culminating in placements in the Food and wine academy for two of them.

What came over was a group of fairly disfunctional, snotty teenagers, some with serious attitude problems. Maybe that was the aim of the programme but I work with young people of the same age (not the students) which are physically attacked on many occasions, have to do personal care and clean up bodily fluids in many situations amongst other things which are not in your usual 'job description'..

Most of them do this with quiet determination and a helpful attitude, putting the service users needs and safety before their own, all for very little money.

I am sorry but I wouldn't give the bunch assembled on that programme a minute of my time.

Interesting television to watch but it is more like a freak show.

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I watched only about twenty minutes, sadly the spoilt oiks wound me up so much I had to turn the TV off.  It could have been interesting entertainment but why did they pick such idiots and ruin it?

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why did they pick such idiots and ruin it?

Because controversy courts viewers. That's why Katie Hopkins has a career and Benefits Street was such a ratings winner. 

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strapped for cash wrote:

proffski wrote:

why did they pick such idiots and ruin it?

Because controversy courts viewers. That's why Katie Hopkins has a career and Benefits Street was such a ratings winner. 

 

BINGO!

Er, do I win something now?

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strapped for cash wrote:

proffski wrote:

why did they pick such idiots and ruin it?

Because controversy courts viewers. 

What's controversial about it? It's the requirement for drama, if they picked ten polite, well-adjusted, individuals with a talent for customer service there'd be no program, no story, "When we first met Kelly, she was a lovely, hard-working girl with several years experience in the restaurant trade. Six weeks later, she still is.", you have to pick people that don't look like they'll succeed, so that when they do it means something.

Besides it's nothing that Jamie Oliver hasn't done for real in his 15 restaurants.

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Hmm, pretty sure I pressed that button once...

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What's controversial about it?

It seems to have upset Drummerman and Proffski.

Both argued that the contestants/interviewees (I'm unsure of the correct noun) didn't deserve the opportunity.

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It's the requirement for drama, if they picked ten polite, well-adjusted, individuals with a talent for customer service there'd be no program, no story, "When we first met Kelly, she was a lovely, hard-working girl with several years experience in the restaurant trade. Six weeks later, she still is.", you have to pick people that don't look like they'll succeed, so that when they do it means something.

Besides it's nothing that Jamie Oliver hasn't done for real in his 15 restaurants.

I'll happily acknowledge that the producers selected people with narrative construction in mind. Rags to riches (sort of) sells, too, including stories of benefactors lifting serfs out of poverty. It's a bit Eliza Doolittle...

We don't revere celebrity chefs enough in this country. I'm glad this programme is shining a light on their extraordinary compassion.    

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strapped for cash wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

What's controversial about it?

It seems to have upset Drummerman and Proffski.

Yes but neither of them are going to watch it again, which would seem to be counter-productive if that was the plan.

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Both argued that the contestants/interviewees (I'm unsure of the correct noun) didn't deserve the opportunity.

How exactly does anyone "deserve" something like this though? The kids/teens that Drummerman works with already have jobs, I'd have thought the goal of this series was to take those that are typically out of work and make them fit for a career in hospitality (in fact I'm pretty that is the idea as I saw most of the first series), so that must be a good thing, getting the unemployed (and possibly unemployable) into work and off benefits (there's that word again)?

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We don't revere celebrity chefs enough in this country. I'm glad this programme is shining a light on their extraordinary compassion.    

I think that's a little harsh, I like Michel Roux Jr. he's a proper chef who found his way into TV, unlike some of the others and having heard him talking about this show on the radio a few weeks ago he certainly sounded genuinely passionate about it.

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Why should we revere them?

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Yes but neither of them are going to watch it again, which would seem to be counter-productive if that was the plan.

It seems Proffski won't; though Drummerman described the programme as an "interesting... freak show," which suggests he might revisit it at some point, possibly because he enjoys venting spleen.

Both Drummerman and Proffski publicised the show by expressing indignation. 

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How exactly does anyone "deserve" something like this though? The kids/teens that Drummerman works with already have jobs, I'd have thought the goal of this series was to take those that are typically out of work and make them fit for a career in hospitality (in fact I'm pretty that is the idea as I saw most of the first series), so that must be a good thing, getting the unemployed (and possibly unemployable) into work and off benefits (there's that word again)?

I'm sure there's a philanthropic component to the programme.

However, it also purposefully allows viewers to look down on the uneducated and uncouth. In other words, it's "serfwatch," and a closer relative of Benefits Street than at first appears. 

Without writing an essay, I find the programme at least somewhat ideologically objectionable; and I think it's designed to elicit precisely the responses above.

The_Lhc wrote:

I think that's a little harsh, I like Michel Roux Jr. he's a proper chef who found his way into TV, unlike some of the others and having heard him talking about this show on the radio a few weeks ago he certainly sounded genuinely passionate about it.

I'm sure on some level Michel feels he's performing an important public service by helping the little people out. On another, doing so perhaps massages his ego. 

I'm really objecting to wall-to-wall cookery programmes and the deification of TV chefs.

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I wish the b####rs would just get off my screen and go back to their kitchens and do what they do best quietly.

This is the best cookery series there has been in years ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjR0yL4f0Y

 

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chebby wrote:

This is the best cookery series there has been in years ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjR0yL4f0Y

I'd not stumbled across Posh Nosh before. It touches on many of my complaints/concerns above. 

TV is crammed with programmes in which the upper-middle classes teach the rest of us how to live. It's inspiring, aspirational stuff.   

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Alec wrote:

Why should we revere them?

I was being more than a little sarcastic.

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strapped for cash wrote:

chebby wrote:

This is the best cookery series there has been in years ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjR0yL4f0Y

I'd not stumbled across Posh Nosh before. It touches on many of my complaints/concerns above. 

TV is crammed with programmes in which the upper-middle classes teach the rest of us how to live. It's inspiring, aspirational stuff.   

It's a satire.

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It's a satire.

I got that! (It'd be hard no to.)

In fact, Chebby, I'm rather insulted that you thought I took it for real. :grin:

The makers of Posh Nosh were clearly mocking upper-middle class condescension, which is precisely what irks me about the kind of programmes they're satirising.

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strapped for cash wrote:

chebby wrote:

It's a satire.

I got that! (It'd be hard no to.)

In fact, Chebby, I'm rather insulted that you thought I took it for real. :grin:

The makers of Posh Nosh were clearly mocking upper-middle class condescension, which is precisely what irks me about the kind of programmes they're satirising.

I used to find Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall extremely funny.

I was convinced that his 'back to foraging' style of cookery was aimed squarely at poisoning as many middle-class 'incomers' as possible.

Every week he'd be encouraging these people to pick their own woodland fungi and wild herbs. Goodness only knows how many got ill as a result.

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