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One of the best things about Britain is its National Health Service. I know it has it's problems (my brother used to work as a nurse for it so I know all about its problems) but its a hell of a lot better than what some other countries have. Having seen the corruption of the American healthcare system first hand. (to cut a long story short not even Satan himself would of done what they did) its a trillion times better than that. Don't let the Tories (it is no where near as bad as they make it out to be) or anyone else try and change it. Be proud of your National Health Service Britain. 

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Couldn't agree more.

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My experience is somewhat at odds with the first 2 posters.  

There are undoubtedly superb individuals working within the NHS but their good works are undermined by the bureaucracy and other individuals, who at best coast and others who do all they can to do as little as possible.  I was in a surgical ward a couple of years ago and witnessed appalling patient care and a processing, couldn't care less attitude by the majority of the nurses.  Today I have been combating the relentless unhelpful bureaucracy and individuals who have failed to do their job properly and then lie to try and cover up their hopelessness.

And yes I have and will be making formal complaints.  If it works for you then great but many people have shocking experiences.

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Wait Until You Have To Do Without It

I've been battling with US health insurance companies for three years to get some medical bills paid.  Don't even get me started on the size of those bills, just getting them paid is a nightmare.  And I have to say, for the sort of care I needed, the service wasn't that much better (or worse) than the NHS.

I've just paid over GBP1000 to settle one bill that the insurance company (doesn't matter which, they're all robbing barstewards in my book) won't settle.  First it was "lack of continuous coverage" - apparently the NHS doesn't count as credible coverage in the US.  Once I showed them I had BUPA asa back-up they dropped that excuse and used the "pre-exisiting condition" one.  Apparently if you have a heart attack, but had a pulse before that, it's a "pre-exisiting condition" and they can decide not to pay out.

Oh, and the nice thing is, according to the health insurance companies, if they don't pay out within two years, they're off the hook come what may.

Right now I've still got over GBP2,000 in unpaid bils that may or may not eventually find their way onto my credit report and screw up any chance I have of getting a new mortgage any time soon.

Oh yeah.  Need an ambulance?  Health insurance doesn't cover that.

And I've gotten off lightly.  A few years ago a mate of mine over here got run off the road by a drunk driver, hit and run, and ended up breaking his leg, needing a titanium rod in his femur as a result.  The bill, over 12 years ago, was US$70,000.  He didn't have health insurance so had to declare himself bankrupt.

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My experience is somewhat at odds with the first 2 posters.  

There are undoubtedly superb individuals working within the NHS but their good works are undermined by the bureaucracy and other individuals, who at best coast and others who do all they can to do as little as possible.  I was in a surgical ward a couple of years ago and witnessed appalling patient care and a processing, couldn't care less attitude by the majority of the nurses.  Today I have been combating the relentless unhelpful bureaucracy and individuals who have failed to do their job properly and then lie to try and cover up their hopelessness.

And yes I have and will be making formal complaints.  If it works for you then great but many people have shocking experiences.

No one ever said it was anywhere near perfect. But compare it to the majority of health care systems in other countries and you'll realise how lucky we are to have it. And yes, I'm sure there are other countries where people have better experiences - I'm not saying it's the best, just one of the better ones, especially for a country as populous as Great Britain.

Once the Tories have dismantled and privatised it, I guarantee you'll be wishing you'd fought more to protect it.

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professorhat wrote:

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Once the Tories have dismantled and privatised it, I guarantee you'll be wishing you'd fought more to protect it.

You have to wonder when the Government doesn't care to acknowledge this report and brag about it:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health

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Australia has a great

Australia has a great healthcare system called "medicare" it even has a reciprocal agreement with NHS, alot of aussie's don't know how lucky they have it compared to other countries.It's not perfect but its better than having nothing at all!!!

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Benedict_Arnold wrote:

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I've been battling with US health insurance companies for three years to get some medical bills paid.  Don't even get me started on the size of those bills, just getting them paid is a nightmare.  And I have to say, for the sort of care I needed, the service wasn't that much better (or worse) than the NHS.

I've just paid over GBP1000 to settle one bill that the insurance company (doesn't matter which, they're all robbing barstewards in my book) won't settle.  First it was "lack of continuous coverage" - apparently the NHS doesn't count as credible coverage in the US.  Once I showed them I had BUPA asa back-up they dropped that excuse and used the "pre-exisiting condition" one.  Apparently if you have a heart attack, but had a pulse before that, it's a "pre-exisiting condition" and they can decide not to pay out.

Oh, and the nice thing is, according to the health insurance companies, if they don't pay out within two years, they're off the hook come what may.

Right now I've still got over GBP2,000 in unpaid bils that may or may not eventually find their way onto my credit report and screw up any chance I have of getting a new mortgage any time soon.

Oh yeah.  Need an ambulance?  Health insurance doesn't cover that.

And I've gotten off lightly.  A few years ago a mate of mine over here got run off the road by a drunk driver, hit and run, and ended up breaking his leg, needing a titanium rod in his femur as a result.  The bill, over 12 years ago, was US$70,000.  He didn't have health insurance so had to declare himself bankrupt.

I'm sorry to hear that. I have a friend who lives in America and a few years ago his wife got very ill. Because she got very ill (though no fault of her own) and needed to go to the hospilty regularly the insurance company refused to pay for her treatment. His income was about $80,000 per year but he still could not affored all the medical bills so he had to sell of his home and take out a huge loan. The US heatlth system is morally corrupt, no evil for seeing its ill as nothing but a way to make a lot of profit. I used to live in America in the early 2000's and had a great time (probably because I did not get ill) and made lots of great friends but one of the reasons I left is because how corrupt the medical system theire is. How can a lot of American's defend that corrupt and evil system? I know not everyone does (as I met a few who don't) but I bet its more than have the population that do. Having met a view stupid American's, their stupid seem more stupid (and gullible) than the stupid of most western nations.  I wish you all the best.  

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professorhat wrote:

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relocated wrote:

My experience is somewhat at odds with the first 2 posters.  

There are undoubtedly superb individuals working within the NHS but their good works are undermined by the bureaucracy and other individuals, who at best coast and others who do all they can to do as little as possible.  I was in a surgical ward a couple of years ago and witnessed appalling patient care and a processing, couldn't care less attitude by the majority of the nurses.  Today I have been combating the relentless unhelpful bureaucracy and individuals who have failed to do their job properly and then lie to try and cover up their hopelessness.

And yes I have and will be making formal complaints.  If it works for you then great but many people have shocking experiences.

No one ever said it was anywhere near perfect. But compare it to the majority of health care systems in other countries and you'll realise how lucky we are to have it. And yes, I'm sure there are other countries where people have better experiences - I'm not saying it's the best, just one of the better ones, especially for a country as populous as Great Britain.

Once the Tories have dismantled and privatised it, I guarantee you'll be wishing you'd fought more to protect it.

Well said professorhat.

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professorhat wrote:

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My experience is somewhat at odds with the first 2 posters.  

There are undoubtedly superb individuals working within the NHS but their good works are undermined by the bureaucracy and other individuals, who at best coast and others who do all they can to do as little as possible.  I was in a surgical ward a couple of years ago and witnessed appalling patient care and a processing, couldn't care less attitude by the majority of the nurses.  Today I have been combating the relentless unhelpful bureaucracy and individuals who have failed to do their job properly and then lie to try and cover up their hopelessness.

And yes I have and will be making formal complaints.  If it works for you then great but many people have shocking experiences.

No one ever said it was anywhere near perfect. But compare it to the majority of health care systems in other countries and you'll realise how lucky we are to have it. And yes, I'm sure there are other countries where people have better experiences - I'm not saying it's the best, just one of the better ones, especially for a country as populous as Great Britain.

Once the Tories have dismantled and privatised it, I guarantee you'll be wishing you'd fought more to protect it.

A universal, free at the point of contact, system of healthcare is very much to be admired.  The [linked] report in The Guardian makes for reassuring reading although, The only serious black mark against the NHS was its poor record on keeping people alive. On a composite "healthy lives" score, which includes deaths among infants and patients who would have survived had they received timely and effective healthcare, the UK came 10th".  

The NHS is enormously dear to the hearts of the UK public, even when they are not actually getting the care they should be.  The disgusting practices at Stafford began and survived for so long because insufficient people, [patients, relatives and staff] were prepared to stand up and say, 'our part of the NHS is shambolic and dangerous'.

Give over with this old lie about the Tories and the NHS.  I live in a part of the UK where Labour are in charge of the NHS and believe me they are screwing it over far more than any 'Tory' ever did.  The NHS needs reform because it is and always has been an organisation that is arranged for the benefit of staff over patients.  This is why we, fundamentally, have a 9 to 5 Monday to Friday organisation and if you get ill 'out of hours' there is a seriously depleted chance of you receiving the care you need, all the way to death.

As I said before, there are excellent individuals { I dealt with one yesterday and today] in the NHS but it needs reform, less managers and to weed out the dead wood that hobble the system as a whole.

 

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professorhat wrote:

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My experience is somewhat at odds with the first 2 posters.  

There are undoubtedly superb individuals working within the NHS but their good works are undermined by the bureaucracy and other individuals, who at best coast and others who do all they can to do as little as possible.  I was in a surgical ward a couple of years ago and witnessed appalling patient care and a processing, couldn't care less attitude by the majority of the nurses.  Today I have been combating the relentless unhelpful bureaucracy and individuals who have failed to do their job properly and then lie to try and cover up their hopelessness.

And yes I have and will be making formal complaints.  If it works for you then great but many people have shocking experiences.

No one ever said it was anywhere near perfect. But compare it to the majority of health care systems in other countries and you'll realise how lucky we are to have it. And yes, I'm sure there are other countries where people have better experiences - I'm not saying it's the best, just one of the better ones, especially for a country as populous as Great Britain.

Once the Tories have dismantled and privatised it, I guarantee you'll be wishing you'd fought more to protect it.

A universal, free at the point of contact, system of healthcare is very much to be admired.  The [linked] report in The Guardian makes for reassuring reading although, The only serious black mark against the NHS was its poor record on keeping people alive. On a composite "healthy lives" score, which includes deaths among infants and patients who would have survived had they received timely and effective healthcare, the UK came 10th".  

The NHS is enormously dear to the hearts of the UK public, even when they are not actually getting the care they should be.  The disgusting practices at Stafford began and survived for so long because insufficient people, [patients, relatives and staff] were prepared to stand up and say, 'our part of the NHS is shambolic and dangerous'.

Give over with this old lie about the Tories and the NHS.  I live in a part of the UK where Labour are in charge of the NHS and believe me they are screwing it over far more than any 'Tory' ever did.  The NHS needs reform because it is and always has been an organisation that is arranged for the benefit of staff over patients.  This is why we, fundamentally, have a 9 to 5 Monday to Friday organisation and if you get ill 'out of hours' there is a seriously depleted chance of you receiving the care you need, all the way to death.

As I said before, there are excellent individuals { I dealt with one yesterday and today] in the NHS but it needs reform, less managers and to weed out the dead wood that hobble the system as a whole.

 

I know the NHS its not perfect. There are a lot of overworked underpaid staff at work for the NHS and they had enough. If you let the Tories have their way it will become like the American health system which puts profits before people lives. I wached a couple who were on an $80,000 per year income go broke though no fault or their own because of the American how greedy the American healthcare system is. The Tories would love to have a system like that in this country. When the NHS is gone your miss it.

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MrReaper182 wrote:

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I know the NHS its not perfect. There are a lot of overworked underpaid staff at work for the NHS and they had enough. If you let the Tories have their way it will become like the American health system which puts profits before people lives. I wached a couple who were on an $80,000 per year income go broke though no fault or their own because of the American how greedy the American healthcare system is. The Tories would love to have a system like that in this country. When the NHS is gone your miss it.

I'd be interested to know where you get your information from - are you privy to the inner thoughts of the cabinet or are you just repeating Labour propaganda?

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I know the NHS its not perfect. There are a lot of overworked underpaid staff at work for the NHS and they had enough. If you let the Tories have their way it will become like the American health system which puts profits before people lives. I wached a couple who were on an $80,000 per year income go broke though no fault or their own because of the American how greedy the American healthcare system is. The Tories would love to have a system like that in this country. When the NHS is gone your miss it.

I'd be interested to know where you get your information from - are you privy to the inner thoughts of the cabinet or are you just repeating Labour propaganda?

Tories MP's going on American TV and tell the American's they are better off sticking with their corrupt and evil healthcare system than having something like we do which puts life before profit. It's not hard to get an idea of what they want the NHS to becaume when they Torries MP's do things like that. By the way I hate all the main political parties.

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Give over with this old lie about the Tories and the NHS.  I live in a part of the UK where Labour are in charge of the NHS and believe me they are screwing it over far more than any 'Tory' ever did.  

Oh come on...they're all as corrupt as each other, but you don't have to be a 'lefty' to recognise that the whole ethos of an NHS available to all without any heirarchial privilege is so obviously the antipathy of Tory values and right-wing politics in general. The only reason it's not already been sold off in bits to make the fat cats even richer is because it's too politically sensitive to do so.

EDIT: BTW I think on the whole the NHS do a wonderful job considering the beaurocracy behind it. Most nurses I've met should be knighted.

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MajorFubar wrote:

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Give over with this old lie about the Tories and the NHS.  I live in a part of the UK where Labour are in charge of the NHS and believe me they are screwing it over far more than any 'Tory' ever did.  

Oh come on...they're all as corrupt as each other, but you don't have to be a 'lefty' to recognise that the whole ethos of an NHS available to all without any heirarchial privilege is so obviously the antipathy of Tory values and right-wing politics in general. The only reason it's not already been sold off in bits to make the fat cats even richer is because it's too politically sensitive to do so.

EDIT: BTW I think on the whole the NHS do a wonderful job considering the beaurocracy behind it. Most nurses I've met should be knighted.

Very well said Major.

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