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The_Lhc, if you don't already you really need to use spotify (or similar steaming service). There is so much amazing new music out there at the moment if you go off the beaten track. 

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The_Lhc, if you don't already you really need to use spotify (or similar steaming service).

I'm sure they're not that bad...

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There is so much amazing new music out there at the moment if you go off the beaten track.

I expect there is but where do you start? Time is an issue as well, I'm not comfortable listening to music at work too much and I spend more time in the car (which doesn't lend itself well to streaming) than I do relaxing at home during the week. There isn't usually a huge amount of time at weekends for just sitting and listening either, as my backlog of unlistened to vinyl will testify to...

Oh, in fairness, I forgot to add Glen "You're Beautiful!" Campbell and Johnny Cash to the 60s list, although Cash started in the 50s so I'd be slightly more inclined to lump him in there anyway...

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The_Lhc, if you don't already you really need to use spotify (or similar steaming service). There is so much amazing new music out there at the moment if you go off the beaten track. 

Out of interest, Ben, what would you recommend?

I struggle to find any new music that really excites me.

It's not that I think all new music is awful. It's more a case of feeling underwhelmed whenever I hear a reportedly great breakthrough act or "alternative" band (which often means a pale imitation of a better group from decades past).

I've not heard any really innovative music for quite some time. That doesn't mean it's not out there. There may be great stuff that I've missed completely. (Perhaps if I were more of a muso I'd have tracked such artists down.) 

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BenLaw wrote:

The_Lhc, if you don't already you really need to use spotify (or similar steaming service). There is so much amazing new music out there at the moment if you go off the beaten track. 

Out of interest, Ben, what would you recommend?

I struggle to find any new music that really excites me.

It's not that I think all new music is awful. It's more a case of feeling underwhelmed whenever I hear a reportedly great breakthrough act or "alternative" band (which often means a pale imitation of a better group from decades past).

Yes, this is exactly how I feel. I watch things like Later... and I frequently don't mind the acts that appear on there but it's very rare that I see anything that really makes me want to go out and find out more about the artist. I can't remember the last time I really heard something that excited me to the point that PWEI or even MMW did more recently (and I wouldn't say MMW are innovating particularly).

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I've not heard any really innovative music for quite some time. That doesn't mean it's not out there. There may be great stuff that I've missed completely. (Perhaps if I were more of a muso I'd have tracked such artists down.)

Given the extraordinary history of music and that anything has been possible for quite some time thanks to technology I wonder if it's even possible to be truly innovative now (and still create something vaguely listenable).

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The 90's of course brought us PWEI at their height, other than that there isn't much for me to shout about,

GUH! And Björk of course, how did I forget her?

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The_Lhc, if you don't already you really need to use spotify (or similar steaming service). There is so much amazing new music out there at the moment if you go off the beaten track. 

Out of interest, Ben, what would you recommend?

I struggle to find any new music that really excites me.

It's not that I think all new music is awful. It's more a case of feeling underwhelmed whenever I hear a reportedly great breakthrough act or "alternative" band (which often means a pale imitation of a better group from decades past).

I've not heard any really innovative music for quite some time. That doesn't mean it's not out there. There may be great stuff that I've missed completely. (Perhaps if I were more of a muso I'd have tracked such artists down.) 

 

I agree about being underwhelmed - and I also agree about the jools holland thing. I find I have to go through a lot of music to find stuff that's is truly excellent - by my rough calculation I 'star' (and therefore listen to repeatedly) about 2-3% of the tracks I listen to. Great albums are even rarer, maybe a dozen a year if I do well. However, if you find good ways to find new music - spotify or amazon recommendations are a good start - then most of the stuff you find should be good if not great. 

 

For all those reasons, the stuff I find to be 'great' is unlikely to be stuff you find great. But still, here are some of the albums I have either bought this year or are on my wish list to buy when either the price comes down or I'm sufficiently drunk and vulnerable:

 

Epic45 - May Your Heart be the Map

I Like Trains - The Shadows

Desolate - The Invisible Insurrection

Epic45 - In All the Empty Houses

John Foxx - Mirrorball

Small Black - Limits of Desire

New Division - Shadows

Future Islands - On the Water

All India Radio - The Silent Surf

Gravenhurst - The Ghost in Daylight

Maps - Turning the Mind

Wild Nothing - Nocturne

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Given the extraordinary history of music and that anything has been possible for quite some time thanks to technology I wonder if it's even possible to be truly innovative now (and still create something vaguely listenable).

You may be right. The last revolution in music arguably centred on technology and a move away from conventional musicianship (there's probably a better way of phrasing this than I have here). I guess it's possible to combine musical styles and techniques in innovative ways. On the other hand, innovative music wouldn't be innovative if people saw it coming.

I had a similar conversation last night, in which we discussed today's youth culture and expressed concern that young people don't have a new musical movement to invest in. I suspect many youth's parents don't mind the music they listen to, or at least find it vaguely familiar. That's surely a sign that something's wrong.

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I agree about being underwhelmed - and I also agree about the jools holland thing. I find I have to go through a lot of music to find stuff that's is truly excellent - by my rough calculation I 'star' (and therefore listen to repeatedly) about 2-3% of the tracks I listen to. Great albums are even rarer, maybe a dozen a year if I do well. However, if you find good ways to find new music - spotify or amazon recommendations are a good start - then most of the stuff you find should be good if not great. 

For all those reasons, the stuff I find to be 'great' is unlikely to be stuff you find great. But still, here are some of the albums I have either bought this year or are on my wish list to buy when either the price comes down or I'm sufficiently drunk and vulnerable:

Epic45 - May Your Heart be the Map

I Like Trains - The Shadows

Desolate - The Invisible Insurrection

Epic45 - In All the Empty Houses

John Foxx - Mirrorball

Small Black - Limits of Desire

New Division - Shadows

Future Islands - On the Water

All India Radio - The Silent Surf

Gravenhurst - The Ghost in Daylight

Maps - Turning the Mind

Wild Nothing - Nocturne

Thanks Ben. When I get the chance I'll have a quick google. I assume most of these artists and albums can be YouTubed.

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I've no idea, I've listened to them all on spotify. I don't think the quality of YouTube is likely to do them justice but it will obviously give you a good idea of what they sound like. Are you able to play YouTube through your speakers? If so, can you do the same with spotify if you were to sign up for free?

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I can run my laptop through my AVR, though I don't think any piece of tech I own is Spotify-ready.

I'm stubbornly old-school with media and have resisted streaming. I'm not even sure why. It's perhaps because I like collecting films and albums as objects. While there's a quality argument for purchasing films on disc rather than streaming, the same isn't true with music.

 

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Given the extraordinary history of music and that anything has been possible for quite some time thanks to technology I wonder if it's even possible to be truly innovative now (and still create something vaguely listenable).

On the other hand, innovative music wouldn't be innovative if people saw it coming.

Heh, good point!

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I had a similar conversation last night, in which we discussed today's youth culture and expressed concern that young people don't have a new musical movement to invest in. I suspect many youth's parents don't mind the music they listen to, or at least find it vaguely familiar. That's surely a sign that something's wrong.

Oh, I don't know, have you listened to any dubstep? I see your point though, most "youth culture" music is centred around some variety of dance music, which of course is very familar to their parents, having been invented on July 19th 1989...

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I can run my laptop through my AVR, though I don't think any piece of tech I own is Spotify-ready.

I'm stubbornly old-school with media and have resisted streaming. I'm not even sure why. It's perhaps because I like collecting films and albums as objects. While there's a quality argument for purchasing films on disc rather than streaming, the same isn't true with music.

 

 

Well you can obviously download spotify onto your laptop. If you don't mind the ads it's free and at decent quality. As someone who has some interest in good SQ I'm not sure that YouTube through laptop speakers would be the best way for you to experience new music.

 

I'm doing a decent job of breaking my collecting habits. When space is short it's a very inefficient way of finding good films or music. I prefer to experience them first (renting films and streaming music) and then buy the best. If you limit yourself to CDs you're restricting your opportunities of finding quality new music just because you won't have much turnover of music. 

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most "youth culture" music is centred around some variety of dance music, which of course is very familar to their parents, having been invented on July 19th 1989...

I had to do some creative googling to discover this was the date "Ride on Time" was released. Smile

I'm pretty confident in saying that house music predates Black Box by a good few years, and is perhaps traceable to this release:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jesse_Saunders_-_On_and_On.ogg

Of course there were hybrid dance parties before Jesse Saunders' experiments with a transistor bass synthesiser. Not that I was in Chicago in 1984, or of an age to participate in the emerging scene.

"Ride on Time" was perhaps one of several crossover moments. ("Pump up the Volume" reached number one in the UK charts in the summer of 1987, I think...)

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Well you can obviously download spotify onto your laptop.

If you limit yourself to CDs you're restricting your opportunities of finding quality new music just because you won't have much turnover of music. 

I can't really argue with either statement.

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most "youth culture" music is centred around some variety of dance music, which of course is very familar to their parents, having been invented on July 19th 1989...

I had to do some creative googling to discover this was the date "Ride on Time" was released. Smile

I'm pretty confident in saying that house music predates Black Box by a good few years,

Nonsense, the history of music is as follows: Beethoven, Rock'n'Roll, The Beatles, Disco, Ride On Time, Dance Music. Everybody knows that!

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