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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

MajorFubar wrote:

... I remain sure that if someone at the absolute very top of our society was at all accused of this level of impropriety, the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it.

No. They'd be ignored and forced to start a conspiracy website as their only option to be heard.

Starting a conspiracy website immediately puts you in the company of whack-jobs like ufologists, illuminatists, the Daily Express and people who think they were abducted by aliens.

That's far more effective than 'silencing' people. (Cheaper too.)

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Very true!

pauln wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:

 the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it.

 

:grin: I always felt incredibly sorry for Lonely. Used to get beat up nearly every episode. Never did no one any harm and frequently helped catch the bad guys.

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

MajorFubar wrote:

 I remain sure that if someone at the absolute very top of our society was at all accused of this level of impropriety, the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it.

 

It's a famous case in Belguim. A guy was jailed for kidnapping kids and in the court case he alleged he was kidnapping them for a paedophile ring. A lot of those he mentioned in the ring were senior politicians, judges and the top brass in the police force. There was a public demonstration of 300,000 people and the police were forced to investigate. With 2 years 30 of the witnesses died in suspicious circumstances. The police investigation got nowhere. 

No doubt Chebby will google it and bring you the full facts!

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That's just the way of the world Major. It has always been that way and it always will be. The people with the most power in this world just so happen to be the people that get away with the evil things they do and that's why I really dislike them (people like Vladimir Putin and Mr Murdoch).  Those sort of people have two much power that even world governments are scared to stand against them. They can pretty much get way with what they like (and do). That's why I never trust any one who wants power because most of the time they only seem to what it for their personal gains.  Mind you luck does not last for ever as former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi found out in 2013. So some corrupt world leaders do get brought to justice.

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

reminds me of this crock of **** (edited as the swear word could be seen! :O )

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/affluenza-defense-probation-for-deadly-dwi_n_4430807.html

also, let's not get started on the crap governments pull - still waiting for tony blair and george bush to be brought up on war crimes....

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

MajorFubar wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

Historically you might be correct, I doubt that'll be the case going forward, the spotlight is firmly on this now, victims know they're more likely to be believed, the authorities know that if they try to cover anything up there's very likely to be a whistleblower waiting to email everything to the press, the press themselves are now looking for the most high profile legitimate offenders they can get, as it's now much harder for them to just make stuff up, so they won't be interested in covering anything up (unless it's them doing it but there's always the Guardian waiting to screw the others into the dirt...), the royals (ok, mainly Harry) now know that whatever they do there's going to be someone around with a camera or phone waiting to record everything they do, privacy for them is somewhat a thing of the past I think.

As long as the public doesn't get fooled into thinking this is a problem of the 1970s I think you'll see a lot more convictions for this sort of thing, at every level of society.

I see where you're coming from, but I remain unconvinced. This is purely theoretical of course with not even a hint of alleged suggestion about anyone in particular, but I remain sure that if someone at the absolute very top of our society was at all accused of this level of impropriety, the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it. I fully agree that the media will be in a frenzy now to dig up the dirt on the most high-profile people they possibly can, but some individuals remain out of bounds. The media itself is controlled by very powerful people. It would be considered 'not in the interest of the country' to follow-up the allegations and prosecute.

Who do you consider the "very top of our society"? No politician would be safe now, even the PM would be out for relatively minor offences these days.

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jjbomber wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:

 I remain sure that if someone at the absolute very top of our society was at all accused of this level of impropriety, the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it.

 

It's a famous case in Belguim. A guy was jailed for kidnapping kids and in the court case he alleged he was kidnapping them for a paedophile ring. A lot of those he mentioned in the ring were senior politicians, judges and the top brass in the police force. There was a public demonstration of 300,000 people and the police were forced to investigate. With 2 years 30 of the witnesses died in suspicious circumstances. The police investigation got nowhere. 

No doubt Chebby will google it and bring you the full facts!

No need for 'accidents' when you can simply lose the files -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10949117/Whitehall-child-sex-inquiry-the-114-files-lost.html

Tim Loughton, the Conservative MP and former children’s minister, said: “To lose one file is unfortunate but to lose 114 smacks of complete incompetence or, I fear, some degree of cover-up."

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pauln wrote:

jjbomber wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:

 I remain sure that if someone at the absolute very top of our society was at all accused of this level of impropriety, the accuser[s] would be silenced and you'd never hear anything of it.

 

It's a famous case in Belguim. A guy was jailed for kidnapping kids and in the court case he alleged he was kidnapping them for a paedophile ring. A lot of those he mentioned in the ring were senior politicians, judges and the top brass in the police force. There was a public demonstration of 300,000 people and the police were forced to investigate. With 2 years 30 of the witnesses died in suspicious circumstances. The police investigation got nowhere. 

No doubt Chebby will google it and bring you the full facts!

No need for 'accidents' when you can simply lose the files -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10949117/Whitehall-child-sex-inquiry-the-114-files-lost.html

Tim Loughton, the Conservative MP and former children’s minister, said: “To lose one file is unfortunate but to lose 114 smacks of complete incompetence or, I fear, some degree of cover-up."

Again, this was 30 years ago, when I imagine this sort of thing was common. I don't think it would be allowed to happen to now, the spotlight is just too bright at this time.

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

There were - allegedly - lot's of 'accidents' in the 1980s. Especially amongst scientists working on underwater defence projects ...

From the Associated Press archive ...

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1987/Dead-Scientists-Mystery-Baffles-Britain/id-0f96d2d3641717f2e71df0a6fdd99a2b

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1988/Computer-Magazine-Says-Scientists-Deaths-Don-t-Add-Up/id-a150a1b0d0403b57c2f44e6ab9503819

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/7.41.html#subj1

Sadly, other references to these deaths (some 22 eventually between 1982 - 1990) are only to be found in conspiracy websites nowadays.

This is why I have only linked to the Associated Press archive and a 1988 Independent article.

I remember all this going on at the time because I worked in IT, read Computer Weekly regularly and knew lots of people who worked in local defence electronics companies like Plessey and Marconi. (Our city was - and still is - surrounded by such companies even though the names have all changed now.)

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

So presumably the Red team were responsible for these accidents? I don't see any motive for our government to eliminate their own scientists?  Unless they were selling secrets to the opposition. It does seem more than coincidence.

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RE: Equal justice? Unlikely.

pauln wrote:

So presumably the Red team were responsible for these accidents? I don't see any motive for our government to eliminate their own scientists?  Unless they were selling secrets to the opposition. It does seem more than coincidence.

Impossible to draw any conclusions except that acturarial tables for British defence scientists in the 1980s were probably worse than those for most manual trades at the time. (At least in percentage terms.)

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