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WishTree wrote:

May be I am a bit too harsh on Nespresso.. but I prefer Coffee beans to concentrated liquid capsules. Also, I have not noticed any cleaning cycles on these machines which I think is very important (for hygiene as well as longevity of the machine). May be I am wrong and there are cleaning cycles on these machines.

1) Nespresso is not a concentrated liquid capsule. It contains ground coffee through which 15 or 18 bar pressure is introduced for a proper expresso.

 

2) There are cleaning cycles for Nespresso. I descale and clean my machine every 6 months.

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What kind of budget do you have in mind?

 

What grinder do you have?

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yeah, difficult to move from real freshly ground coffee to nespresso capsules which whilst they do have ground coffee in them they also are of lower grade quality (for mass production purposes) as well as being very old (months at best) so most taste has dissapeared.

 

If its convenience, nespresso is awesome. it tastes good and is easy and clean. but for a coffee lover coming from a coffee machine with ground beans... look for X1, Rancilio etc. as an upgrade to what yo uused to have along with quality fresh beans.

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But only with a decent grinder. Otherwise it's like feeding a Bryston 32kb/s mp3s. Probably not a good analogy but you know what I mean!

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RE: best coffee machine?

bigboss wrote:

1) Nespresso is not a concentrated liquid capsule. It contains ground coffee through which 15 or 18 bar pressure is introduced for a proper expresso.

 

2) There are cleaning cycles for Nespresso. I descale and clean my machine every 6 months.

Now, I feel really stupid for being so presumptious about Nespresso. Thanks for correcting me here. I used Nespresso when staying over at a friend's place for few nights. The capsules, when shook, felt like concentrated liquid hence the assumption. Never went on to their sites or checked the info else where. 

One thing that is surprising with Nespresso is that the capsule can either be ordered online directly from their site or bought from a Nespresso store (atleast in the USA). They are not stocked in regular grocery stores. Is this true in UK as well?

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I think that is correct- they can be bought online or in a Nespresso store in the UK. I don't recall seeing them available elsewhere but am happy to be corrected on that. 

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I think that is correct- they can be bought online or in a Nespresso store in the UK. I don't recall seeing them available elsewhere but am happy to be corrected on that. 

If you insist on Nespresso, then I think you are right. However, Nespresso compatible pods are widely available

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Forget your Nespressos and bean-to-cup machines

For just over £20 get yourself an AeroPress

http://www.aeropresscoffee.co.uk/

Then use the Has Bean method for your perfect cup of coffee

http://www.hasbean.co.uk/blogs/brew-guides/5952485-aeropress-brew-guide

 

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Finally there is a thread in which I can reply with out using words like 'but' or 'depends' etc !!

We have this (Jura ENA 7)

Jura ENA 7

as well as this (Jura ENA 3) 

Jura ENA 3

ENA 3 is already 3 years old (still working flawless) and the 7 is the new purchase (for the second home). They are fully automatic and the display on the front is informative to take care of all the cleaning that is ever needed. We had several machines before but none were as good as Jura. Since the time we use these machines, trips to coffee houses have become only for socializing!

Some friend have Nespresso, which is absolute rubbish - concentrated liquid capsules and no cleaning cycles.. yuck..

I am not too sure whether these beans are available in UK or not but if you can, then give them a try. 

REWE Crema

 

I have read that these are very good machines, but apparently you cannot remove the "brew head" for cleaning - this is a back to the service centre job. On some other makes (my DeLonghi for example) this part is easily removable and given the state it gets in I would not want to leave it too long without a clean. I have one of the DeLonghi Perfecta range which makes coffee I like and regular maintenance is straight forward. If you do want a Jura, Costco seems cheapest and has excellent customer service. I buy my beans from a Costco  Warehouse which has a reasonable selection and they both tasty and a good price.

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The thing about Nespresso etc is that although the machines are relatively cheap, the pods are not. I just did a quick calculation based on the cheapest Nespresso compatible pods (which may well be awful) and we would be spending £400 a year on pods (more like £800 using the genuine article). Our spend on beans is a lot less than half that. 

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My grinder is a burr grinder, but an inexpensive one (Krups burr grinder), think it cost £45 new, in 2007.  I buy my beans from Nude Espresso (micro-roastery off Brick Lane), Monmouth and Taylor Street Barristas, so will experiment with them grinding for me.  That said, it takes me a few weeks to get through a 250g bag, so prefer to grind fresh each day I make coffee (mostly weekends).

As much as I love the look of the FrancisFrancis X1, (strangely the extremely similar styling on FrancisFrancis x7.1 doesn’t do it for me), it’s reliability is too much of a concern for me, especially having been through the heartache of trying in vain to fix my Gaggia Cubika after nearly 7 years of loyal  service. 

The Gaggia Carezza is nice enough to look at, and I really like the fact that it has a temp gauge. 

The Rancilio has a nice small footprint.  It’s got an old-school Italian utility beauty to it, but isn’t “stylish”. 

In any case, it’s got to be a semi-automatic machine for me. 

Stovetops – don’t extract at the same pressure (and sit a bit wonky on my gas hob!), and they don’t allow for a flat white or piccolo.

Fully automatic/bean to cup – I really like tamping and connecting a portafilter!

Nespresso – they make a beautiful looking espresso, but the taste is too uniform and doesn’t give the wow factor.  Plus I like the excitement of trying out some new beans (the pod range is a bit limited/sterile).  Also, the milk frother device on a Nespresso has two widgets – one for weak foam, and one for heavy foam.  I found my preference lies in-between, so I’ve ended up switching widgets mid-way through a froth.  BTW – Masterchef fans – you can use the “cool froth” (blue, rather than red, light) function to make a “foam” of pretty much anything, and pretend you’re an El Bulli chef!

For my budget – I am treating myself to a number of things, to celebrate my new job, but I don’t want to spend like a loon (school fees are soon due!).  I’m happy to spend £300ish, but will stretch to the £370 of the Rancilio Silva, if it is the best single-boiler machine around. 

 

 

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hammill wrote:

Timbot wrote:

I think that is correct- they can be bought online or in a Nespresso store in the UK. I don't recall seeing them available elsewhere but am happy to be corrected on that. 

If you insist on Nespresso, then I think you are right. However, Nespresso compatible pods are widely available

Really? I've been looking for Nespresso compatible pods, but couldn't find them. I thought Nespresso had patented the pods. Can you point me towards some good quality Nespresso compatible pods?

Yes, Nespresso pods can only be bought from Nespresso themselves. So they're never discounted.

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There are six Nespresso stores in the UK (3 of which are in London!). So you'll probably be buying online. Generally your order comes next day I've found (even when you select the free 48 hour delivery slot), and they'll pickup your empty capsules and recycle them if you order the correct bags to dispose them in.

I use my machine every day as does my wife - only trouble is the milk frother tends to only last about 1.5 to 2 years before it breaks down. I'm on my third - the first one was replaced under warranty as I bought from Lakeland. 

 

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Lakeland gives a lifetime guarantee, which is very handy.

 

I use this, which works very well:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0001RT1OS?cache=9e25b44513a3ca27275f782c48f5d30e&qid=1401990200&sr=8-14#ref=mp_s_a_1_14

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RE: best coffee machine?

bigboss wrote:

Really? I've been looking for Nespresso compatible pods, but couldn't find them. I thought Nespresso had patented the pods. Can you point me towards some good quality Nespresso compatible pods?

Yes, Nespresso pods can only be bought from Nespresso themselves. So they're never discounted.

Here is a selection that I have seen (includes the capsules that you can put your own coffee in):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/CafePod-Nespresso-Compatible-Intense-Capsules/dp/B009VV3FWE/ref=tag_stp_s2_edpp_url

http://www.amazon.fr/Cap-Mundo-Capsules-Compatible-Nespresso/dp/B00EYYI2E4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388937363&sr=8-1&keywords=Nespresso+Compatible+Capsules

http://www.amazon.fr/Coffeduck-capsules-compatibles-Nespresso%C2%AE-noires/dp/B00AE7IDBC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1388937363&sr=8-9&keywords=Nespresso+Compatible+Capsules

http://www.amazon.fr/CAPSULES-RECHARGEABLES-COMPATIBLES-NESPRESSO-machines/dp/B0049UI1QW/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1388937727&sr=8-18&keywords=Nespresso+Compatible+Capsules

http://finecoffeeclub.co.uk/landing/tv/?utm_expid=65721930-6.7W4ne4tfT4Cvl5QoNFRXoA.1&gclid=CI7vz5TjyLsCFUnjwgodJl0AFg

http://www.amazon.fr/CapsulIn-100-Capsules-compatibles-Nespresso/dp/B0057VQMTK/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1388937363&sr=8-6&keywords=Nespresso+Compatible+Capsules

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