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Are Man U Rubbish Without Fergie?

I think so.   ROFL

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Proves they're all overpaid.

Proves they're all overpaid.

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RE: gel wrote:I think so.

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I think so.   ROFL

Ferguson did to Homer Simpson, what Tony Blair did to Gordon Brown, got out when the sh*t was about to hit the fan.
To be serious for a second, it's far to soon to be righting them off, but I do think they were a poor team last season, so god knows how bad that makes the rest of the premier league.
I think the loss of Ferguson's influence over referees will affect them, and it's obvious to all of us that Homer doesn't have the player pulling power that bacon face did.
We'll see, but if I was a betting man (I am, and a sh*t one), I think they'll finish outside the top 4.

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RE: Are Man U Rubbish Without Fergie?

Same BBB.... something ain't right at their place  !                (lol)

 

Still think the guy  Moyes IS a decent manager... WHO KNOWS the HOLD Alex had with that squad.... but they seem a bad lot now... that's for sure.... Man City ftw !    (or maybe Arsenal)

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Anyone who thought the

Anyone who thought the transition would be seamless is either drunk or from a different planet... or both.

I think Moyes will be fine, but my only concern is [Moyes] having Albert Steptoe as one of his assistants.

So far it has been a crazy start to the season. Who'd have thought the red side of N. London would sweep allcomers aside? Certainly not me.

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Man Utd seem to 'suck' at the moment...is it Mr Moyes tactics or does it go beyond this ....... ?

He was a right decent manager at Everton.... so what's went wrong #?

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Man Utd were not an especially good team last season. They won the league through a combination of poor or underachieving opponents and Fergie maximising their quality. Moyes is a good manager, but seamless transitions at any club are difficult. This is even more the case at MU because of all that comes with it, rather than less so because of their quality players. Like at any club, Moyes has to get to know his players, adapt tactics and adapt players to the system. 

 

The real problem is the team have gone backwards in two ways. Firstly, a lot of the existing players are playing worse than last year: RVP has ceased to be injury free, Ferdinand is past it, Vidic and Jones are making mistakes, Young is abysmal, Cleverley has been found out. Secondly, they have failed to improve the squad. This was City's problem last season, but this year everyone around Utd has spent money, mostly pretty wisely. Failure to capture players is a combination of things, but changes in the boardroom are probably the biggest factor. Either way, a not-great team has been overtaken.

 

The question is, how many teams have overtaken them? Given Liverpool's form and an exciting strike partnership (remember when every team had one of those? For those interested, read a copy of 'Inverting the Pyramid' re football tactics over the years), there definitely seems to be a top five. Could Utd finish fifth of those five?

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They aren't terrible, but they have lost the Fergie factor which means influence, fear factor and 2 miinutes of stoppage time a game! They are getting old and need a major overhaul. I see them going the same way as Liverpool in the early 90s (with any luck).

The very fact they gave Nani another contract is telling. Other than Giggs and Carrick they have an awful midfield, and Giggs is almost drawing his pension.

It's the first year for many I have genuinely believed we (Liverpool) will finish above them...and will do for the foreseeable! :)P

 

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RE: Are Man U Rubbish Without Fergie?

Pretty much.   ROFL

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I blame Fergie for Man U's problems this season. Most may say why pin the blame on someone so successful? How many quality players has he brought in over the last few years? Van Persie and... err...err... he even brought Scholes out of retiremement to fill that midfield gap.

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Amuses me people saying Moyes is a good manager. He's a very average and overrated manager imo. He's turning Man U into Everton Mk2...ie 4th to 10th every year! 

Martinez is a way better manager than Moyes imo and Everton were lucky Man U came in for Gollum...

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Can't make honey out of dog EDITED

I don't think Moyes is a great manager, but even plain old GOOD managers can make wonderful teams. The truth is, with the exception of Rooney and RVP, all the players are either past it and/or very average.

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I'll repeat, it's far too soon to be writing them off, though a top four place is the best they can hope for in the premiership this season.

I agree with PP, that Ferguson left Moyes with a big rebuilding job, and not with (as Ferguson believed), a fantastic squad.

Is Moyes up to the job? I don't know, but I will confess to thinking he'd be the perfect replacement for Ferguson. Next season is the big one for Moyes, and if he fails again (presuming he does this year), then he'll be for the chop.

He needs to spend some money, though I disagree that most of the squad is poor or past it, but he definitely needs better quality in midfield.

No-one will enjoy it more if this is the beginning of the end, but I very much doubt it is, though the glory days of repeat titles has definitely gone.

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Loving it so far. Great to see the other teams fighting it out. The Prem is turning into the Champ and opening up into a far more interesting competition, which is for the good of all the teams and the fans, not mention British Football.

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Fergie called it a day because he could see the writing on the wall IMO, how we won the league god only knows. It as not rocket science to see that our midfield is not upto it, but who's fault is that, Fergie not Moyes. When your midfield consists of Jones, Cleverley and Anderson then the chances up front are going to dry up, and the defense is going to be under greater pressure. Moyes is stuck with an ageing squad, mixed in with a handful of promising kids.It is going to take time to prune the squad and rejuvenate it, I just hope he is given time.


 

 

 

 

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RE: Are Man U Rubbish Without Fergie?

BenLaw wrote:

Man Utd were not an especially good team last season. They won the league through a combination of poor or underachieving opponents and Fergie maximising their quality. Moyes is a good manager, but seamless transitions at any club are difficult. This is even more the case at MU because of all that comes with it, rather than less so because of their quality players. Like at any club, Moyes has to get to know his players, adapt tactics and adapt players to the system. 

 

Everton under Moyes used to be methodical and rigid which he's asking an attacking fluid bunch to do, it aint working.

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