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New Nokia Windows Phones

So Nokia have announced details of its first Windows phones - link. Hardly inspiring stuff.

What do you guys think? I can't personally see myself moving from iOS devices in the short term, given I've built up a fairly significant App collection on my 3GS and I have a lot of Apple hardware currently - it just fits in. Plus I'm very happy with the way it all works and I don't like the "free for all" approach of Android, where it seems there's very little control on apps and what they can do, or even any kind of strategy from Google and the handset manufacturers on rolling out new versions etc.

However, something intrigues me about the Windows Mango OS - I've yet to try it out though. Anyone had a go / own a phone which uses it already?

 

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Bit disapointed it's an amoled, not an amoled+ like the galaxy s2. Amoled uses a pentile system, where each dot only has two sub pixels, whereas the plus version has three sub pixels. This causes issues rendering text for instance, and is the reason the s2 has matched the iPhones screen performance where previous android phones have not.

Got to give them credit for doing their own thing though, and I'm sure they can use the Xbox brand to sell buckets of them.

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PH - I hear you.  I too am a Mac fanboy and love my Apple TV, Macbook, iPad, etc.  Especially, with respect to contacts / calendar, with how the information is "live updated" between the Macbook and the iPad.  If I was to own an iPhone, this functionality would transpose and I would be fully integrated.  However, I'm a little "old school" when it comes to my mobile phone - I just want it to be a phone, be simple, have good battery life, and be as small as possible.  An additional piece of information is that I have to carry a Blackberry for work which I use for the calendar function.

So, I've never had an iPhone due to the fact that it doesn't really have a good battery life, and isn't all that small.  Coupled with the fact, I don't need much of the additional facilities it offers.  I'm currently using a Nokia 700 (first day) and it meets the small and simple test, and should meet the battery life test.  It was an upgrade from a Nokia C2-00 which met all my needs above, and was dual sim (perfect for my trips back to New Zealand).  That was an upgrade from a Nokia 2330 which was a pleasure in its simplicity and battery life.  In between, I had a HTC Wildfire S which was ebayed due to short battery life and, like the iPhone, an abundance of features I didn't use.

In short, the only thing I miss with carrying a basic Nokia is the contact integration.  I don't miss Twitter or Facebook, as I'm not an addict, and a one a day check on the iPad is sufficient to quell any cravings.

Probably a bit of a tangent from your post, but just a shout out for the simple phone carrying people out there (although I can understand carrying an iPhone if you are sans Blackberry / iPad) as it would eliminate the need for a number of specialist devices.

 

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The younger side of the family have iphones , i've stayed clear.... i do like apple but just not sold on the phone would prefer an ipad over the phone. Having a Nokia N8 i'm not particularly inspired about the lumia i am more interested in the new Motorola RAZR. Now i know the old RAZR's looked good but were not functionally good..... i hope hope that's not the case with the new one because it looks the dogs nuts.

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So, this new windows 8 mobile then...

Anyone played with one yet?

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I was keen to try out a Windows phone, with Microsoft Office......

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Developers, developers, developers, developers...... Another balmer classic to check out on YouTube

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bigboss wrote:

I was keen to try out a Windows phone, with Microsoft Office.....  :O

Ah yes, that old chestnut!

But it seems no one's tried a Windows mobile - understandable given their market share, but I was hoping for maybe one person!

 

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professorhat wrote:

What do you guys think?

I think it looks promising.

I currently use an iPhone but the closed nature of the Apple hardware really annoys me and I would gladly ditch it for an alternative. I've tried Android based phones and that goes to the other extreme, Android looks and feels like its always in a beta version to me. So hopefully Nokia who do know something about making good phones and Windows, who have done a fair bit of software I believe ;-), can merge together to rival the Apple's usability and reliability without the big brother lock down approach. I have no equipment or libraries tied to Apple any more and have been waiting for a viable alternative to come to the market.

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I really like the 800. I've only ever used Nokia phones, and due to the cost of the things round here I'm currently using an old N95. I've been waiting for something a bit different before I got tied into a new contract. I don't want an iPhone as I have an iPod Touch, and the missus has a pretty decent Android phone so they don't excite me now either. 

I'm curious though as to whether it'll receive OS firmware upgrades like iOS/Android or if it'll be more like Windows in that you'll be stuck with the old version unless you pay a few bob to replace the OS! Looking forward to more news and reviews though, and I'm especially keen to find out more info about the Camera.

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bigboss wrote:

I was keen to try out a Windows phone, with Microsoft Office......

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Again?? I only put it once....

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These are just a few Windows models, and they are all a big touch screen box, no?  I think it is more interesting to speculate on the future of the OS.

I think the market is big enough for 3 major players google, apple and microsoft, and they all have massive amounts of money to invest.

Have not seen W7.5 but it seems to be a decent system. If they succeed in a good integration with their dominating role in the pc/office world it might be a success.

I admire Apple for its products, but their penetration has an upper bound due to their (price) niche. (BTW I am really annoyed by these patent issues: filing a patent for a swipe movement to unlock a phone, c'mon!). Hard to imagine that they will succeed to become a lot bigger in market share.

And for Google, I think android is ok (it is what I use), but not so good that it can continue to dominate the non-Apple world forever. 

They all strive to bring complete (and integrated) packages (phone, pad, pc, cloud, s/w, social media, tv, ...), and all have their strengths in some but not all areas (yet).

 

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Pete10 wrote:

I admire Apple for its products, but their penetration has an upper bound due to their (price) niche. (BTW I am really annoyed by these patent issues: filing a patent for a swipe movement to unlock a phone, c'mon!). Hard to imagine that they will succeed to become a lot bigger in market share.

 

After reading Steve Jobs biography, it seems the patent thing is actually pretty personal.  Steve mentored Sergey and Larry, had Eric Schmidt on their board and gave them a lot of trust.  When iPhone was in development, Android was a blackberry clone.  Apple feel burned by Google is the simple answer, and every tiny patent add up to a larger retribution.

 

The other interesting fact gleaned from the book was that how close Larry Elison was to Steve Jobs, they used to holiday together etc.  Larry actually offered to buy Apple in the 90's to give to Steve, but thats not how Jobs wanted to play it.  So it comes as no supprise just how hard Oracle is going after Google as well.

 

I find it fascinating how these massive multi billion dollar companys are opperating on such basic human emotions.

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Paul Hobbs wrote:
I find it fascinating how these massive multi billion dollar companys are opperating on such basic human emotions.

I find it pathetic.

I also agree that the swipe to unlock patent is frankly ridiculous, if this was all personal on the part of Jobs maybe, just maybe, this kind of idiotic legal action might die down a bit, now that he's dead.

But I doubt it, too many lawyers making too much money.

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So I guess Apple should just roll over and not defend their IP?  Google would be just as quick to defend their own.

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They should all stop using it as a form of "mine's bigger than yours" contest, yes, which is what seems to be going on if the comment about Jobs and Ellison is to be believed.

I also don't think you should be able to buy patents, if the company that originally invented something no longer exists then the patent should lapse and the technology be free for anyone to use (that at least would put a stop to all these patent-troll firms that exist only to sue other companies over patents they've bought up). Buy the company, inherit their patents, fine, otherwise, no.

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