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Very good. And much better at integrating biblical references than Prometheus! (Tho tbh the sentence with commas, hyphens and a colon confused me somewhat. Edit: still an odd hyphen followed by a comma!)
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In terms of specs not much between them, Kindle Fire HD has a micro-hdmi connection, but the Nexus 7 has a quadcore tegra3. Apart from that they seem pretty much the same.
Not having the Google store and android updates would be a no-no for me. Couldnt imagine not having the google suite...
Nexus 10 may be announced next week.
The Kindle fire is so cheap, I thought it might make a good remote control for my squeeze server. Any thoughts?
Is the app available for Kindle Fire? Otherwise you would have to sideload it (if possible).
I would assume it is possible to sideload it, as I've read that you can even sideload Google Play Store onto the Kindle Fire, if you root it. However not having tried it myself I cant be 100% sure.
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Thanks again. I'm close to being convinced! The new price looks fairly certain, with confirmation from Argos. So same price as Kindle Fire (actually £10 cheaper assuming you pay for the ad free Fire). I can foresee problems with not having access to all the apps, so the Nexus 7 definitely leads there. Is the HDMI the only advantage of the Fire that you can see?
Price aside, I went for the Nexus versus the Fire HD precisely because there would be no faffage with rooting if I wanted it to be 'real' Android, and I haven't been disappointed. Does everything I could reasonably expect it to do (though I have no need to connect it to a display).
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Thanks for your thoughts JD. I suspect not being able to connect to a display is the sort of thing I'll never miss if I don't have it. Can I ask, how do you find finish and build quality compare to an iPad? How easy is to hold for a while in one hand? Do you find the screen ratio better or worse than that of an iPad in normal use? And do the swipe gestures work consistently well? Thanks for your help.
Just passing so will give you a detailed response later. Some good, some less so.
Thanks JD, I look forward to the full response
The mini looks like a rushed product to me. The specs are horrible and the price is too high.
The new new ipad??? looks quite nice - but why no widescreen?
Rushed ? i would have to disagree, the problem is everyone whats the best for a low cost so specs have to be lower to make it more affordable
I think they missed the boat with widescreen, i bet microsoft would take them to court saying it looks to much like the surface tablet if Apple did that, and how would that stand for Apple if they changed there design concerning the Samsung galaxy Tab? The would be no more court battles
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Right. It's obviously not as hewn-from-solid-block-of-aluminium as the (hewn-from-etc) iPad. It's a two piece construction, with a plastic back 'snapped' onto the bezel (I know this because when I dropped it on day two, the back separated from the front slightly, but it snapped back fine).
Don't be put off by the fact that it's plastic-backed - it's what car manufacturers might call 'soft-touch', and I actually find the feel of it rather better than the iPad, which is a bit cold and smooth and slippy in comparison. It's great for holding one handed, and the slightly elongated shape make it easy to swipe from left to right one-thumbed (reading the Times while strap-hanging, for example, which wasn't possible with the big iPad). OS swipe movements are perfect, but apps themselves can be variable - sometimes takes a couple of goes with the papers or kindle (though at least the latter has a one-touch page turn).
The screen glass is very nice, better than the couple of droid phones I've tried which have felt a bit scratchy.
I find aspect ratio fine. Sometimes it feels a bit tall, and one odd thing is that browsers tend, depending on site, to slightly stretch the site heightwise, so text looks a bit elongated on eg here and BBC (god bless 'er) at zero zoom. Firefox and Chrome don't consistently behave the same. This sorts itself out when you do zoom, however, and I suspect the dpi hack some have tried would fix it. (As an aside, I am finding Firefox a bit buggy). EDIT - also, it makes MUCH more sense now that they've enabled home screen autorotation - without it it was a portrait-aspect device, IMO, as it just behaved stupidly.
It's NOT an iPad. Primarily because right now, apps aren't as good (generalising). If you think of it, however, as a Kindle with knobs on (book reader, browser, occasional music and video usage - great from a screen def point of view but the free Transformers one I tried that came with it was a bit juddery), and compare it in price to one of those instead, then I think it's well worth the premium. If you've already paid for loads of apps on iPad or iPhone though, you might find replacing them on a different device - if they're even available - starts to take away the differential between it and the Mini.
I think they missed the boat with widescreen
Well, they had to maintain the aspect ratio & the pixel density (similar to iPad 2) so that current iPad apps are fully functional on the mini. Otherwise, developers would have been forced to create a 3rd iOS app (after iPhone & iPad). Apple would have been even more unpopular with that.
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the most surprising thing for me with the mini is the screen resolution.. with the drive by apple to retina displays in everything.. i would have thought the mini would have been the same? i have a nexus 7 and dont find it a miserable experience as apple would like me to believe it is.. in terms of the form factor its great for the cummute to work and reading/watching video on the go.. will the lower resolution on the ipad mini be noticeable worse than the nexus 7? the big letdowns with the nexus for me are lack of an SD slot and a lack of 'nice' accessories that are available for apple products.. i have a cheapish smart cover from ebay that doest the job, but its not nearly as nice as some of the apple smart covers i've seen.
I have mine rooted and i can plug in memory sticks etc.. but its a hassle id rather not have to go through.. bit EDITED there's a 32gb model on the way to for the same price i paid for my 16gb..
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I'm not surprised at all at the screen resolution. Apple had to compete in the budget 7-inch sector. It's evident that the tablet has been built to a price. The processor is from a 2-year old tablet, & the screen only ensured to match the resolution of the iPad 2 so the apps work properly. A retina display would've cost a lot more.
Nexus 7 is being sold at £199, but Google isn't making any profit here. They're selling it at cost price. Apple's here to make a profit.
For the vast majority of buyers, these tech specs won't mean anything. For them, the iPad is "only" £70 more than the Nexus 7 & is a lot more desirable. I won't be surprised at record breaking sales of the mini.
i have to agree with you on that, its going to sell very well
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