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Surprised and pleased to see my quarter final exit prediction not come to pass.  He *ought* to beat Tsonga but having seen him yesterday on No.1 can't really see him winning it unless he ups his game considerably.

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What did you make of him against Cilic JD?

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This is the problem Murray has: Needs to find an extra couple of gears. Not sure he can raise his game to that extent. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see On Friday.

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This is the problem Murray has: Needs to find an extra couple of gears. Not sure he can raise his game to that extent. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see On Friday.

 

Did you not think there was an extra few gears in the last two sets? 101mph backhand winner for example? And Rusedski's assessment of Tsonga's match was interesting; he was up and down, his concentration came and went, and Tsonga said he was outplayed on the bass line. If Murray plays again like he played against Ferrer, he will go through to the final. Tsonga is below Murray in the rankings for a reason.

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What did you make of him against Cilic JD?

A bit workmanlike, nothing special.  Though tbf I have found at the couple of real tennis tournaments I've been at (rescheduled Queen's final last year, and two matches at Wimbledon yesterday) everything seems a bit slower in real life; when I watched highlights later on the telly it all seems a lot faster, so I may just not be used to it Laughing out loud

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What did you make of him against Cilic JD?

A bit workmanlike, nothing special.  Though tbf I have found at the couple of real tennis tournaments I've been at (rescheduled Queen's final last year, and two matches at Wimbledon yesterday) everything seems a bit slower in real life; when I watched highlights later on the telly it all seems a lot faster, so I may just not be used to it Laughing out loud

 

Interesting, I've had the complete opposite reaction at live tennis, everything seemed ludicrously quick! May depend on where you sit I guess. And whatever his level he was much too good for Cilic, maybe you'd have seen more if he was pushed (like today). Thanks for the thoughts  Smile

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We were second row from back on No.1, maybe things look quicker closer up!  I was worried we might be too far away but it's actually really intimate, and being so far back meant at least we were under cover Smile

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This is the problem Murray has: Needs to find an extra couple of gears. Not sure he can raise his game to that extent. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see On Friday.

 

Did you not think there was an extra few gears in the last two sets? 101mph backhand winner for example? And Rusedski's assessment of Tsonga's match was interesting; he was up and down, his concentration came and went, and Tsonga said he was outplayed on the bass line. If Murray plays again like he played against Ferrer, he will go through to the final. Tsonga is below Murray in the rankings for a reason.

Nope. There was only a fag paper width between them, hence why 3 out of the 4 sets was decided by tie-breakers. Murray made less unforced errors.

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We were second row from back on No.1, maybe things look quicker closer up!  I was worried we might be too far away but it's actually really intimate, and being so far back meant at least we were under cover Smile

 

Sounds great  Smile I'd love to go back. We were maybe two thirds of the way back on centre. Saw Richard Krajicek - he was quick!

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This is the problem Murray has: Needs to find an extra couple of gears. Not sure he can raise his game to that extent. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see On Friday.

 

Did you not think there was an extra few gears in the last two sets? 101mph backhand winner for example? And Rusedski's assessment of Tsonga's match was interesting; he was up and down, his concentration came and went, and Tsonga said he was outplayed on the bass line. If Murray plays again like he played against Ferrer, he will go through to the final. Tsonga is below Murray in the rankings for a reason.

Nope. There was only a fag paper width between them, hence why 3 out of the 4 sets was decided by tie-breakers. Murray made less unforced errors.

 

I don't understand why you think Tsonga is such a bigger test than Ferrer. He's lower ranked and Murray has a way better record against him. His game also matches up better. Actually I do understand, you patently have no clue about tennis. 

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Murray has now made at least the semi-finals in 6 out of the last 7 slams - not a bad stat!  Think it is correct - currently can't remember that far back.  Smile

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plastic penguin wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

This is the problem Murray has: Needs to find an extra couple of gears. Not sure he can raise his game to that extent. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see On Friday.

 

Did you not think there was an extra few gears in the last two sets? 101mph backhand winner for example? And Rusedski's assessment of Tsonga's match was interesting; he was up and down, his concentration came and went, and Tsonga said he was outplayed on the bass line. If Murray plays again like he played against Ferrer, he will go through to the final. Tsonga is below Murray in the rankings for a reason.

Nope. There was only a fag paper width between them, hence why 3 out of the 4 sets was decided by tie-breakers. Murray made less unforced errors.

 

I don't understand why you think Tsonga is such a bigger test than Ferrer. He's lower ranked and Murray has a way better record against him. His game also matches up better. Actually I do understand, you patently have no clue about tennis. 

Maybe but a combination of a heavier serve, and he's very athletic and coupled with over inflated expectations (76 years since Fred Perry won) will be too much of a burden. Even if he does overcome Tsonga, do you honestly think he'll beat whoever he faces in the final?

I'm not pessimistic just a pragmatist.

Let's see on Friday.

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Even if he does overcome Tsonga, do you honestly think he'll beat whoever he faces in the final?

I'm not pessimistic just a pragmatist.

Hmmmm....

Still, it's a fact (demonstrated through clinical studies) that people diagnosed with depression actually have a more realistic view of the world than "normal" people. Trouble is, they tend to also want to commit suicide or some such as well.

My verdict therefore is that it's better to have a more optimistic outlook and not run the risk of just deciding to step in front of train.

Let's go Andy, let's go...  Smile

 

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plastic penguin wrote:

Even if he does overcome Tsonga, do you honestly think he'll beat whoever he faces in the final?

I'm not pessimistic just a pragmatist.

Hmmmm....

Still, it's a fact (demonstrated through clinical studies) that people diagnosed with depression actually have a more realistic view of the world than "normal" people. Trouble is, they tend to also want to commit suicide or some such as well.

My verdict therefore is that it's better to have a more optimistic outlook and not run the risk of just deciding to step in front of train.

Let's go Andy, let's go...  Smile

 

Jeeze, almost choked on my Cornflakes. One of the funniest posts I've ever read.

Oh well, I'm off to find myself an articulated lorry. Smile

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Murray played very well yesterday in the end, but he was too passive for the first set and a half and this very nearly got him into a lot of trouble. 

That's what I don't get with Murray. Clearly Lendl wants him to play the kind of aggressive tennis that took him through in the end from the get go, in any match. I don't understand why Murray can't do this.

As various commentators point out, Murray plays better when his back's against the wall, but why land yourself in these situations in the first place?

Let's assume Murray reaches the final and faces Djokovic. If plays the kind of conservative tennis he played for the first hour and a half against Ferrer, he'll likely be down two sets. Why not go at your opponent from the start? If Murray can learn to do this I think he'll win slams. If he doesn't, he won't.

That's not a pessimistic view and I'm not staring at the train tracks. It's just my honest appraisal of where I think Murray's at compared with the very best.

As I said before, I'm behind him all the way. I just wish he'd make watching a less stressful experience.