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Which branch of DeMontfort was it, gel.
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I went to Jacksonville State University in Alabama, USA
I didn't particularly go for the educational side, although I ended up with a Sociology and Economics degree. I went all the way over there on a tennis scholarship and played Divison 1 (top divison) college tennis for 4 years.
It all worked out well, as I teach the sport now!
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i was at the university of numb nuts.
It was Milton Keynes. It closed a year after I graduated! It was just around the corner from where I lived too. It was BA hons degree.
Wow! Nice one.
I thought their open day was rubbish.
But aren't the fees paid retrospectively through the loan repayment at around 9% of anything over a 21K wage? If you don't get a job, you don't repay.
This pretty much reflects my feelings - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/student-finance...
Student fees have always been paid retrospectively; and however you dress it up and arrange repayments, it's still a higher overall amount.
This is compounded by other disadvantages the current generation of youth is burdened with. I'm simply pointing out that today's youth are getting a worse deal than previous generations, face poor job prospects after studying for their degrees (zero hours contracts, anyone?), and will be lucky to get on the property ladder by their late 30s.
Unless of course they're from money, in which case they'll leave university debt-free, will land a nice job thanks to daddy's contacts, and will perhaps build a property portfolio, letting to people the banks will no longer lend to.
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I went to an open day there! There was a talk by a lecturer with dreadlocks called Brown, I think.
My only point is that the fees and loan situation isn't that bad. The other points are unrelated, and I never referenced them.
My only point is that the fees and loan situation isn't that bad.
Though it's still a worse deal than previous generations were offered.
The other points are unrelated, and I never referenced them.
You can't divorce the situation with tuition fees from broader socio-economic context. Each of the points mentioned (and others) factor into the decisions young people make. The other points are entirely related, unless you think that decisions about whether to go to university are made in a vacuum.
I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you can't claim that circumstances are irrelevant simply because you didn't reference them.
No. The loan is paid back very slowly and genly if at all - the debt is cancelled after 30 years. If the housing market is bad, it is bad. Paying back your loan - the cheapest loan there is - at a very slow'pace should not dramatically impact your house-buying ability. I like you, so I'll agree to differ and leave it. Its just a great shame that the supposed "debt" is seen as a reason not to go to uni. Indeed, I think the word loan should also go in quotation marks in this context, as the connotation has a huge negative effect.
Its just a great shame that the supposed "debt" is seen as a reason not to go to uni.
We can agree on that point. There's a great psychological difference between the prospect of leaving university with 20k of debt and double that, which is roughly the distinction between the total loan amount before and after the tuition fee hike.
The loan is paid back very slowly and genly if at all - the debt is cancelled after 30 years.
Thirty years is still a long time to carry a pretty substantial debt, especially if your degree isn't tailored to the corporate world or legal professions.
We'll see a greater proportion of students studying functional subjects rather than choosing a degree because they have a passion for the subject, as universities are gradually redefined as professional academies or conveyor belts for big business.* Some would argue that this is a good thing and that universities should serve this function. Unfortunately that comes at a cost to the Humanities, which has typically functioned as a corrective to governmental and corporate excesses.
I like you, so I'll agree to differ and leave it.
Likewise, I'm not looking to fall out with anyone. I've certainly had more heated debates on this forum!
* For the record, I'm not suggesting that people can't be passionate about Law or corporate interests, though the changes to student finances will influence the kinds of degrees studied.
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