Here's another one for you - since the Government started to review all Incapacity Benefit claimants by requiring them all to attend medicals, circa 30% of claimants, or 900,000 people, voluntarily decided not to attend the medical but to come off the benefit.
Are you glad about this you pinko liberal?
You should be mourning the fact that 70 percent of claimants did decide to attend medicals! (Or that there were even medicals to attend in the first place.)
Why aren't all of these 'incapacity wallahs' forced to break rocks - with nothing but their hands and teeth - for nothing but bread and gruel and water?
It sickens me that elderly people are given money for nothing! Their so called 'pensions' should be confiscated (if they haven't already been stolen) and these slackers put to work making concentration camps for anyone who can't prove they are descended from at least 25 generations of English people.
It also makes me puke that the under 16s are all given free education rather than made to work in asbestos factories!
Bravo! They ought to get off their backsides, especially those who, well, can't! And if they won't they should have to wear some kind of badge to identify themselves as the tax dodging sumbags they are!
Cloverleaf for King (for a day...) I say!
Whilst I'm here, I'd just like to thank Labour for fiddling whilst Rome burns! All that collateral damage will make it easier for them to get in next time, eh? Now there's a plan, hey, Ed?
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Predictable but amusing; the lefties pour scorn, but have no cogent argument in response.
Twas ever thus
I'm not convinced you made a cogent argument in the first place.
So far, as I understand it, you're arguing that Clegg has been a barrier to more sweeping (actual) cuts and that those rendered near destitute should be hit even harder. Presumably you'd cut taxes further at the top, because, you know, these people are very talented and the engines of the economy. What's more, there would be an immediate talent drain should we dare to suggest a fourth holiday home and yacht might be a little extravagant.
You then threw out a Daily Mail statistic and declared "I'm done!"
Excuse the Apprenticism, but I'd like to "drill down to the specifics." Can you detail precisely where you'd cut and to what degree? We're looking for numbers here rather than sweeping generalisations, knee-jerk reaction, and divide and rule rhetoric. Once you've produced your manifesto, I'll be happy to work through the finer details.
I said I wouldn't post again on this subject, but for crying out loud.
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I switched my lovefilm list to the berberian DVD instead of blu ray and it arrived about a week ago. Unfortunately my gf came down with appendicitis and was in hospital for a while, so playing the single father role has meant insufficient time to watch films with my undivided attention! I hope to watch it in the next week and will let you know what I think.
Hope your GF's now feeling OK and you enjoyed your bonding time!
Let me know what you think of Berberian when you get the chance.
What I actually stated was a material fact; you may not like it, you may find it inconvenient, you may even try and discredit it by rolling out the tired old "Daily Mail" taunt, so beloved of the Guardian reading minority, but. It happens to be true.
Here's another one you won't like - Out of the 1.4 Million claimants who did attend the medical, 55% were found to be well enough to attend work immediately. I appreciate that as a hack, your realtionship with facts is probably a bit tenuous, however it doesn't make them any less true.
If you really think the capping welfare benefits at a maximum of £26000 will leave people "destitute", I would refer you to the many hard working people who earn substatially less than this amount, and pay taxes to allow others to stay at home and do nothing.
How very heartless of me.
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Do you know how many of them won their appeals? Do you know how many of them later died at the hands of the coalition? Do you know how many more have attempted to take their own lives?
Wait, what is thread about? I'm confused.
Well, it started with North Korea's antics...... & this is gel's 2nd thread that's veering off wildly from the original post.
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Oh, I'm not so sure - it started off as a thread about mad commies, and seems to have continued entirely on topic.......
Thanks strapped Well she's been home since Friday and, while she still can't do any lifting, is much on the mend. Apart from the lack of sleep, bonding time has been very enjoyable!
I'll be sure to let you know. As well as mark Kermode's high praise I have a friend with an excellent film knowledge who rates it highly and thinks I'll like it. The subject matter sounds right up my street and I think Toby jones is fantastic (did you watch The Girl over Christmas?).
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Really ? Strange that you don't seem able to quote the numbers then.
Some less charitable souls than myself might consider that a good indication that you are talking out of your aEDITEDe
Please define "material fact." Countless philosophers (and mathematicians) argue that there's no such thing as absolute truth. You're referring to highly subjective appraisals based on tick-box exercises. Are you familiar with the criteria for these assessments? Can you state categorically that this is a failsafe mechanism for evaluating one's ability to work?
As usual, particularly right wing individuals latch onto a convenient binary, hence the "divide and rule" comment in my previous post. According to such language, you're either well enough to start work immediately, or so severely disabled that getting out of bed is impossible.
According to your logic there's no grey area here. I'm happy to concede that some people are benefit cheats. I have little more respect for such individuals than for a plutocratic elite holding the majority of the global population to ransom. The latter group would rather watch a third of the global population starve to death than entertain the possibility of debt reduction. A few hundred quid a month off the social seems small potatoes by comparison. However, as I say, I'm not making a case for benefit theft.
Let me give you an example that might complicate your "well enough or not" equation. A close relative is diagnosed with severe mental health problems and spent the best part of eighteen months under section. Thankfully he's not been hospitalised for just over a year now, though his mental health difficulties remain highly debilitating. His benefits have already been reduced and are set to be cut further.
We're not a wealthy family and unable to support him full time. Admittedly he can walk and use his hands, so technically he's capable of really demeaning work. Perhaps he could work as a labourer, where really insensitive blokes could mock him for being a bit strange? It'd do his self esteem the world of good. He has zero self confidence and becomes particularly distressed if taunted or confronted. That's precisely how he was treated when he did a factory job several years ago.
All that aside, you still haven't detailed what course of action should be taken. Furthermore, the £26,000 figure isn't representative of the overwhelming majority of benefit claims, though it's a convenient reference point if you want to demonise a particular section of society. It's that binary logic again. As I say, those with extreme views tend to argue with extremes and ignore the stuff in the middle.
Your "hack" comment also cheapens an already non-existent argument. It's a shame you had to resort to that.
I didn't see The Girl. That was the Hitchcock-Tippi Hedren thing, right? I think I saw a clip several times on the BBC HD Preview loop, which checking for vertical bands during the "man on park bench pretending to play the piano" interstitial.
Yes it was. It was a very good drama, and an outstanding acting performance by Jones. Well worth watching if you get the chance.
There are two things about this forum that might make me stop posting.
One is the speed of the site, and two is obvious, and I choose to ignore him, and never ever ever respond.
Just ignore him, it's really not that hard.
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