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i am swithering weather to buy the new remaster discs of pink floyd,
has anyone bought or heard the discs yet,
any opinions on the new discs and are you going to buy any of them.

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Mrs ordered me the Immersion set of Dark Side.

Only arrived today..........so hopefully get a chance to listen to it later Smile

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Can't believe how time flies...ten years since I bought the DSotM 30th Anniversary heavyweight vinyl. That particular pressing seemed to attract praise and damnation in equal measure, but certainly from my perspective of not having anything to compare it to but my 1980s’ CD, I thought it was mindblowing.

It will be interesting to know what, if anything, the new batch of digital masters gives us. They will almost certainly be victims of the ‘loudness-war’.

There is an urban legend that the original DSotM mastertape was partially erased by accident by MFSL in the 80s, and the missing section was ‘restored’ from a security-backup which EMI had made to Betamax tape. If that’s true, then the only real way to hear DSotM at its best is from an early unmolested LP.

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brendonw wrote:

Mrs ordered me the Immersion set of Dark Side.

Only arrived today..........so hopefully get a chance to listen to it later Smile

happy listening and post your findings asap thanx
dsotm and wish you were here are my fav floyd music.

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Major,

If the urban legend is true, the 'Betamax' tape would have been a PCM-F1 digital audio master made from the analogue master. A lot of record companies started archiving their analogue back catalogues to digital formats, and the PCM-F1 was very popular as it could be used to master directly to CD. For the time and with some of the tweeks (both internal and external) available, the quality was excellent - we used to receive them to lay-back final mixes to many tv shows of the time onto 1" analogue masters and for some live music masters, direct onto PCM audio 1" videotape, where the quality of the audio often far outstripped the quality of the pictures! And don't forget that over the years, Sony have developed that humble betamax to become the HDCamSR format which the vast majority of HD material is now mastered to.

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brendonw wrote:

Mrs ordered me the Immersion set of Dark Side.

Only arrived today..........so hopefully get a chance to listen to it later Smile

Hi brendon, have you had a chance to listen to these yet?

FWIW the sets are cheaper at Sainsbury than anywhere else I can see, but you can get 10% off at Richer Sounds with voucher code RICHERVIP. Still damn pricy tho!

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Managed to listen to 1 of the many versions available on it last night.....

 

Listened to the 24/96 Surround BD version. Very impressed. I'm hearing detail I've not heard before and obviously the surround immerses you in it Laughing out loud

Will try and get to listen to the stereo version on the set soon!

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robjcooper wrote:

Major,

If the urban legend is true, the 'Betamax' tape would have been a PCM-F1 digital audio master made from the analogue master. A lot of record companies started archiving their analogue back catalogues to digital formats, and the PCM-F1 was very popular as it could be used to master directly to CD. For the time and with some of the tweeks (both internal and external) available, the quality was excellent - we used to receive them to lay-back final mixes to many tv shows of the time onto 1" analogue masters and for some live music masters, direct onto PCM audio 1" videotape, where the quality of the audio often far outstripped the quality of the pictures! And don't forget that over the years, Sony have developed that humble betamax to become the HDCamSR format which the vast majority of HD material is now mastered to.

Rob

Quite right Rob.  However if the urban legend is true, then it at least means the current DSOTM analogue master (or bits of it) is a copy of a 16/44 backup file, so any attempts to squeeze more out of it, such as 24/96 remasters, are a bit futile, though of course less so if only a small portion has been patched.  I can't remember the specifics.  In fact I can't even find where I read it.  All I can remember is that it was in an online article I read about a decade ago, where they interviewed one of the MFSL engineers who was involved with the 'Original Master Recording' projects.  Allegedly some dope put one of the DSOTM reels on a recording machine instead of a playback-only machine and somehow the inevitable happened.

Importantly though, the 16 track mults would appear to be intact (as they should be: MFSL only borrowed the stereo master).  Quite a bit of evidence proves they are fine.

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Aha!  I have found a reference to it (Am I allowed to put in a link? Not like it's a rival's webite):

http://pinkfloydarchives.com/DUSMFSL.htm

 

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In a recent interview, Gregg Schnitzer of MFSL revealed, "Did you know that the Dark Side of the Moon master was ruined? Somebody put it on a recorder instead of a playback-only mastering deck, and a little piece of Supertramp got dubbed onto the outro of Breathe. Big secret, that. Stan had left the company so a redo wasn't gonna happen. Makes me seriously wonder where MFSL got the source for the Dark Side of the Moon CD. Hmmm. It would have had to have been a second generation safety or the digital master I made for the cassette run."

I was beginning to think I'd dreamed it...though I'm still not finding the exact article which says the missing bit was restored from a Betamax backup.  Even so, I bet as a result of that 'little error' someone's a$$ got booted so high they were detectable on airport radars for a few seconds.

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brendonw wrote:

Managed to listen to 1 of the many versions available on it last night.....

 

Listened to the 24/96 Surround BD version. Very impressed. I'm hearing detail I've not heard before and obviously the surround immerses you in it Laughing out loud

Will try and get to listen to the stereo version on the set soon!

cheers brendonw the bd  is what i am after i going to order the immersion set i cant hold back any longer
i hope my other half does not check the credit card statement.:clap:

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i hope my other half does not check the credit card statement.:clap:

If your OH is anything like mine, she won't need a statement, but will "know" by a kind of female osmosis. shifty

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lol @ CNO.

 

@DVDA - Even the Mrs was impressed with it. 'Trying' to get a listen to the stereo version next!

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Thanks for your thoughts Brendon Smile Let us know how the stereo sounds. I'm also particularly interested in the blu ray, although I suspect I'll buy WYWH before DSOTM. Will also be interesting to see if the price comes down in time, although I suspect not. I hope they don't sell out and carry inflated priced on the SH market, I ended up paying a lot for Live in Gdansk Wink

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I still don't know what "swithering" means? Is it a northern expression?

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I still don't know what "swithering" means? Is it a northern expression?

But I understood you to be highly proficient in the use of google, which immediately identifies it as meaning 'agitation resulting from active worry'. Kind of how I feel about whether or not to buy the immersion box sets. Or it could just be a typo.

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Actually, scrap that, it appears to be scots for 'be uncertain about what to do or choose, doubt, hesitate, dither', so perfect usage.

See this for examples: http://www.scotslanguage.com/articles/words/602

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