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What a depressing point of view. My son was taught Japanese for a week (in year 4 I recall). He found it very interesting, partcularly as it was linked to lessons about Japanese culture. There is considerable evidence that learning another language generally benefits children's performance. The idea you should only learn languages used in your local community is straight off the UKIP song sheet and is the sort of blinkered attitude that has led to a reduction in the number of children learning a foreign language - an area in which we are already the worst amongst first world countries with the possible exception of the USA. Both business and the government are very concerned about this as it places the UK at a huge disadvantage. The Chinese market is groing tremendously and many forward looking schools are teaching Chinese (normally Mandarin/Simplified Chinese I admit) . You should be pleased your child had such an opportunity.

You misunderstood me.

Kids are under an enormous amount of pressure to get good grades in their SATs tests. In fact in the case of the school my kids have just left, its reputation and funding depends on the results. My point was, I fail to see how spending an hour a week particularly in year six (I didn't say "not ever") teching kids something obscure that they're not going to be tested on, and don't need to know at that point in time, is time well spent.

But generally your point stands valid.

 

Learning for the sake of learning. Exposure to, and education about, new things. Not everything has to be directed towards a specific goal. I think I had a year of Japanese and a year of German in junior school. Then in year 7 I had compulsory French and Latin. It exposes children to language and some children may even develop an interest in learning additional languages.

You're right though. year six seems to be leaving it a bit late, considering that it is more effective to learn languages as early as possible. Of course, many people don't even have sufficient mastery of their native language (a rant for a different thread, perhaps), and often those who can best master a foreign language through study are those who have an innate curiosity and interest in their native language, at least this is the case with most of the better translators and interpretors I know.

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Studying for A levels in Wales, you must also take the Welsh Baccalaureate. My son was studying English Lit, Drama and Textiles - all subjects that needed a lot of extra work/reading at home. His career aspiration is to become a professional performer in musical theatre, so he was also spending a lot of time dancing etc. Apart from sleeping and eating, all of his time was spent studying or in dance classes. Yet his school still insisted on him completing his Welsh Baccalaureate despite it being considered by many (including the teachers) as a bit of a joke. They even suggested he drop one of his A levels if he was struggling to complete the Welsh Bacc. That was ridiculous! Sadly the teachers were not able to use a bit of common sense, it would have broken the rules.

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A is B and B is A, especially when it comes to airlines.

What's X then?

 

X marks the spot where the planes land.

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BenLaw wrote:

bigboss wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

A is B and B is A, especially when it comes to airlines.

What's X then?

 

X marks the spot where the planes land. 

I beg to differ Mr Law. I think you will find X marks the spot where the treasure is buried.

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They're not mutually exclusive. We need a Venn diagram too. 

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I also know that H marks the spot where the helicopters land, but an ABH test would be very different. 

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If you think kids are being

If you think kids are being pushed hard today, check out this 1899 Havard entrance exam paper: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvardexam.pdf

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BenLaw wrote:
They're not mutually exclusive 

Try telling that to a Pirate Smile

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John Duncan wrote:

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I remember doing Common Entrance (1973) and was thrown into a tail spin, when asked to give "Empirical Evidence".......a tad unfair for a 13 year old, I thought.

Ya, I didn't find out what empiricism was until fourth year at Uni. I don't find out what ABX was till much later...

So when will you be taking that English exam?

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The Worst thing they teach the wee kidies at school these days ...

is that something as ludicrose as    evolution    is Now being taught as if fact, how sad is this ? 

rolling on the floor laughing

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[quote=Big Aura]If you think kids are being pushed hard today, check out this 1899 Havard entrance exam paper: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvardexam.pdf[/quote]

 

Well that seems straight forward enough.

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Alec wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

I remember doing Common Entrance (1973) and was thrown into a tail spin, when asked to give "Empirical Evidence".......a tad unfair for a 13 year old, I thought.

Ya, I didn't find out what empiricism was until fourth year at Uni. I don't find out what ABX was till much later...

So when will you be taking that English exam?

I see what you done there.

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RE: School is becoming ridiculous

Missing Andrew Everard's comments in threads like these. Haven't seen him around for a long time now, neither have his blogs appeared. puzzled

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RE: School is becoming ridiculous

bigboss wrote:
Missing Andrew Everard's comments in threads like these. Haven't seen him around for a long time now, neither have his blogs appeared. puzzled

He doesn't contribute to WHF any more.

You can find his blogs and reviews here since August...

http://andreweverard.com/

He still works for Gramophone as their Audio Editor ...

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/podium/high-fidelity

 

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Alantiggger wrote:

The Worst thing they teach the wee kidies at school these days ...

is that something as ludicrose as    evolution    is Now being taught as if fact, how sad is this ? 

rolling on the floor laughing

 

Yep, And the world is apparently round. How silly rolling on the floor laughing

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