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Having had a detached retina in July, I'm now really conscious of how badly I've treated my eyes over the years, stuck to a computer screen for years on end.

I'm intrigued by something called the Bates Method, which is a set of eye exercises which physically improve your eyesight and quality of vision (clarity, depth of field, perception etc.)

Prescription glasses definitely make eyes lazy and bad eyesight must have a high environmental factor (how would our primitive ancestors have hunted and avoided being hunted if they couldn't see ten feet?)

Has anyone else tried it?

I've been following the exercises for about 4 weeks, including 2 weeks in Spain and not needing to wear sunglasses at all (just a brimmed hat).

Interested in knowing anyone else's experience, as improving your own eyesight might be the cheapest a/v upgrade you could do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

The Bates method has been around for years and has little credibility.

Wearing spectacles does not make your eyes lazy. Spectacles make the image in your eyes sharp just as if you had perfect vision. How is that going to make them lazy?

For example, a short-sighted person has a focussing system that is too strong for the size of their eye. Even with the eyes muscles totally relaxed, the image does not come into sharp focus on the retina. Nothing to do with the muscles.

In fact, if a short-sighted person wears their glasses to read, the eye muscles are working HARDER so that should exercise them not make them lazy.

 

I agree that improving your eyesight is a good/cheaper way of improving your AV system. Think of this:

If one of your eyes is perfect and the other one is -0.50Dioptres short-sighted (not very much at all) then if you watch your TV at 4 metres the "perfect" eye is focussed on the screen and the other one will be focussed at 1.5m from you. Not good for 3D and yet we have folk spending a fortune calibrating their TVs which might not be the whole solution!

 

 

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

I thought it sent you blind.

Oh wait, that's .... [edited on the grounds of niceness] Smile

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

Bates Method does work... try it.

I tried it and my optician was well ... EDITEDying.... then I told him... lol    good job

 

Short sightedness or anything like is NOT incurible.... it's all down to lazy eye muscles. Looking at tv or computer screens does NOT make eyesight any worse either.

You can actually cure the likes of shortsightedness with this fella's book, others have already.

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Alantiggger wrote:

Bates Method does work... try it.

I tried it and my optician was well ... EDITEDying.... then I told him... lol    good job

 

Short sightedness or anything like is NOT incurible.... it's all down to lazy eye muscles. Looking at tv or computer screens does NOT make eyesight any worse either.

You can actually cure the likes of shortsightedness with this fella's book, others have already.

 

Forgot to say, I myself took my pescription down two points doing the most simple of things.... stare at the far corner of your room's ceiling... 2 mins, then stare at your own finger point right in front of your eye for same amount of time..... do this for a few weeks.... hey presto, eye muscles tighten/streanthen... and ya do not need such a high prescription.

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It's a load of discredited BS.

In all these years it has never been scientifically proved to help, and in some cases may make things worse.

 

"One of the greatest potential dangers of faith in the Bates method is that a believer may be disinclined to seek medical advice regarding what could be a sight-threatening condition requiring prompt treatment, such as glaucoma.[5] Also, children with vision problems may require early attention by a professional in order to successfully prevent lazy eye. Such treatment may include exercises, but which are different from those associated with the Bates method, and parents who subscribe to Bates' ideas may delay seeking conventional care until it is too late.[7] It may further be necessary for a child at risk of developing lazy eye to wear the proper correction.[48]"

 

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

Alantiggger wrote:

Alantiggger wrote:

Bates Method does work... try it.

I tried it and my optician was well ... EDITEDying.... then I told him... lol    good job

 

Short sightedness or anything like is NOT incurible.... it's all down to lazy eye muscles. Looking at tv or computer screens does NOT make eyesight any worse either.

You can actually cure the likes of shortsightedness with this fella's book, others have already.

 

Forgot to say, I myself took my pescription down two points doing the most simple of things.... stare at the far corner of your room's ceiling... 2 mins, then stare at your own finger point right in front of your eye for same amount of time..... do this for a few weeks.... hey presto, eye muscles tighten/streanthen... and ya do not need such a high prescription.

Keep up the good work,you are destined to be the Grand Master of the Bates Method Wink

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Short-sightedness is nothing to do with muscles.

 

Strongly advise that some aspects of the Bates method, e.g. sungazing, are actualy harmful to the eyes.

In a sense he is right that if you stare into the sun you won't need glasses but it's not for a good reason, it's because you will permanently damage your eyes.

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visionary wrote:

Strongly advise that some aspects of the Bates method, e.g. sungazing, are actualy harmful to the eyes.

In a sense he is right that if you stare into the sun you won't need glasses but it's not for a good reason, it's because you will permanently damage your eyes.

I've never read anything about this 'Bates Method' before, but advising sungazing has got to be criminally negligent surely? (Or criminal in some respect.)

It's advising people to blind themselves.

[Edit] Ok, it seems he can't be sued. He died 82 years ago.

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[Edit] Ok, it seems he can't be sued. He died 82 years ago.

 

Indeed, and his ideas are on a par with leeching, homeopathy and praying.

 

Eye-problems - See an optitian or an eye-doctor if it's serious. Faffing about with ridiculous home-remedies is just plain dumb.

 

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fr0g wrote:

Indeed, and his ideas are on a par with leeching, homeopathy and praying.

No they aren't. 

Leeching, homeopathy and praying won't permanently damage your eyesight.

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

I'm using an interpretation of the Bates method by a chap called Jonathan Barnes. He does not recommend "sungazing", but "sunning" is part of the programme. This is with the eyes closed, and is combined with "palming" where you cover your eyes with your palms to create complete darkness, and relax. During sunning with eyes closed, the eyes are in constant motion from side to side.

From a lay perspective, I have suspicions about opticians, in that they make their money and pay their mortgages by selling glasses. The Bates method and its derivatives do not make any money for an optician, but they do require a lot of willpower by the patient. Not worth the effort?

From many years of exposure to the medical world, and the medicine-selling industry, very few patients have enough self-discipline or willpower to actively change their own lifestyle (even cancer patients, according to recent papers). I don't think doctors even bother giving the advice any more.

As my eyesight has been measured many times pre-op and post-op, I will be able to confirm any improvement in two months when my next check-up takes place.

Have prescription glasses ever improved anyone's natural eyesight, or are they just a crutch to give an instant fix ?

("Hey, I can see in HD again. Thank you Mr Optician" !)?

I'll keep you posted.

 

 

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

I guess it's a change from the usual snake oil on this forum Smile

Hifi and AV/HT dealers make money and pay their mortgages by selling you stuff too. do you mistrust them too?

 

Has NOT having their eyes checked by an optometrist ever meant someone lost their eyesight? Yes

Does wearing spectacles make your eyes worse? No

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RE: Improving Eyesight with Bates Method

A question for any opticians etc out there...Can natural eyesight (without glasses) be improved by any method?

I have never been given any advice by an optician that would help to naturally correct my vision.

It must be a very depressing field to work in if the human body has not got some sort of self-healing mechanism for short or longsightedness? 

Also, in terms of demographics, is bad eyesight becoming increasingly prevalent, and if so, why? (Lifestyle/not enough natural light/screens etc?)

 

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To some extent you are missing the point. There is nothing to heal.

Some are long-sighted, some are short-sighted. Same as some folk are short and some tall, or some have big feet and some small.

It's the way you're made.

We are more demanding of our vision nowadays. If you were just tilling the land, you would be less critical of your (one's) vision. Today we read, drive, use computers etc and so the quality of the picture is more important.

Specs or contact lenses adjust the focus of the eyes so they are doing the amount of work Nature designed them for. There IS a self-correcting mechanism which operates in infancy. It doesn't always work - Google "emmetropisation"

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DandyCobalt wrote:

From a lay perspective, I have suspicions about opticians, in that they make their money and pay their mortgages by selling glasses

What do you do for a living? Are you paid for it?  If so, should we be suspicious of you?

What other occupations - that employ people in return for money - are you suspicious of?

 

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