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My shots, because I'm a very high ball hitter, don't do that, they land and, depending on the club, either stop dead or come back a bit, so unless I land the ball right behind the hole it's never going in (even if you land the ball in the hole there's more chance of it coming back out again than staying in there).

But you have control of the ball,

Steady on, I really wouldn't go that far!

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and control of the ball means that you can manipulate the ball with the swing, this will give you a better chance of a hole in one long term. It also means your score will be lower than a golfer who has no control, its a good place to be.

Yes, but even new golfers will hit a decent one occasionally, if their shot is online, falls a little short and then rolls towards the hole they've got far more chance than I have, as if my shot is online and lands anywhere other than straight in the hole, it'll stop where it is and never get any nearer the hole, do you see what I mean?

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I'd need to know what "average" means in this context, I'd be willing to bet the "average" handicap is in the low 20s, so I'm "better" than that (I'm not "good" though, which is why I'm putting "better" in quotes). But my point was more about the type of shot different golfers hit, it always going to be easier to hole a ball if it runs forward a little after landing than if it just stops like mine do. If the ball doesn't move after landing it has no chance of going in the hole, if it hits the hole it's more likely to come back out (and probably finish up quite a long way from the hole).

I don't know what the 'average' handicap was, it was an article from quite a while back. I know what you mean about the ball releasing forward, but pros don't just have one shot like you or I sticking out tongue  If they want it go in low and run up to the flag it's easy enough for them to do that.

I know but (and I appreciate I didn't exactly make this clear) I wasn't thinking about pros when I made my first comment, I was talking solely about different levels of club golfer. To be honest the game the pros play is so far away from what any of us here are playing they might as well give it a different name... 

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Generally speaking pros are not aiming for the hole, they're aiming for a particular spot on the green to leave themselves the easiest putt, if everyone else is like me it doesn't matter where the hole is there's always a part of my mind that's trying to get the ball in it!

But of course pros have another advantage, beyond the fact that they're that much better than us lot, they play every single day, all year long, most of us probably only play once a week, that'll make a huge difference to the odds as they have more opportunites for a hole in one.

If I remember correctly, it was on a per shot basis. I think the way it was worked out was by using a hypothetical situation of various players trying to get an ace on a typical par 3. So if a pro had 4000 attempts, chances are he'd hole one.

It'd be interesting to work out the total number of tee shots taken at the Masters Par 3 tournament, I think they generally have at least a couple of HIOs each year.

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As for CH3, y'dont know Chucky three sticks? Tch! Is Google not working or something? twisted It's Charles Howell III.

Tried Google, couldn't find any combination of search terms that resulted in any golfer's name, it just gives you golf courses around Chester... Forgot about Howell though.

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My shots, because I'm a very high ball hitter, don't do that, they land and, depending on the club, either stop dead or come back a bit, so unless I land the ball right behind the hole it's never going in (even if you land the ball in the hole there's more chance of it coming back out again than staying in there).

But you have control of the ball,

Steady on, I really wouldn't go that far!

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and control of the ball means that you can manipulate the ball with the swing, this will give you a better chance of a hole in one long term. It also means your score will be lower than a golfer who has no control, its a good place to be.

Yes, but even new golfers will hit a decent one occasionally, if their shot is online, falls a little short and then rolls towards the hole they've got far more chance than I have, as if my shot is online and lands anywhere other than straight in the hole, it'll stop where it is and never get any nearer the hole, do you see what I mean?

Yep, a lucky shot that rolls will have a greater chance of sinking because of it but your high dead shot is good starting point for creating shape on the ball which is spin. Drawing or fading the ball has spin, you can then play the green as you wish from the front or back spin for over the pin. I'd rather be where you are.

 

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As for CH3, y'dont know Chucky three sticks? Tch! Is Google not working or something? twisted It's Charles Howell III.

At the risk of sounding pedantic,  thats what they call him CHUCKY THREE STICKS. I am not aware of any reference to CH3 puzzled

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As some of you are playing regularly at a much higher level than me, can I ask you for some advice?

I've been looking at getting some new clubs, as the ones I'm playing with were a very cheap ebay purchase, and are probably from the 90s (don't laugh).

My inclination is for Wilson clubs, and I've looked at complete sets, but the Di11 irons have caught my eye, and I think I've found a decent deal for them, 4 - SW £265 + p&p http://www.ukgolfacademy.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62_88&product_id=143

Do you know this company? Anything dodgy about them?

I will need woods soon too, and probably fairway woods/rescue clubs at some point, but my priority is to get a decent set of irons, and at a price that won't break the bank. 

So can I have your opinions please on my choice, and also the website?

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Never heard of that company myself bbb but that doesn't mean much tbh, as for the clubs, why are you "drawn" to them? It's similar to hi-fi really, you must demo, preferably somewhere that can measure how well you're hitting the ball, last time I got new irons I tried a dozen different types. The mizunos felt lovely and yet I was losing 40 yards on my shot with the 6 iron, very odd.

One other thing, how well do you actually hit 4 iron? You might be better off with a hybrid/rescue club instead.

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The site looks legit bbb.

 

Not sure on the Wilsons.

 

I used Mizuno MX23 which you can pick up from e-bay for around £100 for the set second hand, very nice weight with a nice top line and a good ball flight.

Maybe some Calloways like the X - 22's here: http://www.onlinegolf.co.uk/product/...ign=googlebase

Or some Pings, they are dotted, explanations here: http://www.golfstoreeurope.com/Kits.aspx?ModelID=2614

 

There are loads of clubs around but i would avoid e-bay for new stuff as fakes do go around, especially Calloway.

 

My advise would be to get to a local golf shop/club have a chat to the staff and pick up some clubs and see how they feel in your hands, you may like something on-line but you may hate them in hand. They need to have a nice balance, look good to your eye when you stand over them and have good weight, everyones different. Ideally get a custom fit but thats not essential though worth looking into later down the line.

Club wise, things get tricky over a 5 iron so a hybrid may be better, they will help to build confidance. Nailing a 3 iron is a good feeling though Smile

 

Most importantly, have fun and not worry about scoring, the more you play the better you get and the scores adjust naturally Smile

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Never heard of that company myself bbb but that doesn't mean much tbh, as for the clubs, why are you "drawn" to them? It's similar to hi-fi really, you must demo, preferably somewhere that can measure how well you're hitting the ball, last time I got new irons I tried a dozen different types. The mizunos felt lovely and yet I was losing 40 yards on my shot with the 6 iron, very odd. One other thing, how well do you actually hit 4 iron? You might be better off with a hybrid/rescue club instead.

Drawn to Wilsons as they make up the majority of my irons at the moment, and I hit them well. They seem to be a good club for a relative beginner, and the Di11s seem to be very forgiving, which I think I will need. 

As for the 4 iron/hybrid question, I've never tried a hybrid, and I know lots of people think they are easier to hit than a low iron, but the few times I've hit a 4 iron, I've hit it cleanly, and around 175 yards. Also bear in mind that the clubs I'm using are old, and my friend's son and his mate find them highly amusing, so a clean hit with them is quite an achievement.  :)

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I used Mizuno MX23 which you can pick up from e-bay for around £100 for the set second hand, very nice weight with a nice top line and a good ball flight.

I was looking at MX23s a few weeks ago, and did follow some on ebay, so it's defintely a club I would consider.

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My advice, though more expensive, is to go and get properly measured (swing speed, lie angle, shaft length, grip size)....you can then try a variety of brands while a machine tracks how well each club works for you (same for the woods). This is the only way to take the guess work out of it.

As suggested, Hybrids are usually much easier to hit than long irons.....play them like irons, not woods.

Take lessons, as bad habits are the devil to shake off, once ingrained....hitting a golf ball correctly is not something you can "figure out"....Swing plane, stance, grip, ball position and strike angle etc are crucial for "consistent" success.

Golf is all about the "short game"; and Putting is a "game within a game".

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My advice, though more expensive, is to go and get properly measured (swing speed, lie angle, shaft length, grip size)....you can then try a variety of lengths while a machine tracks how well each club works for you (same for the woods). This is the only way to take the guess work out of it.

Yes, this, can't emphasize it enough, an old set of Wilsons may not play anything like a new set.

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Another reason I was drawn to the Di11s was the favourable reviews.

http://www.golfwrx.com/10897/wilson-staff-di11-editor-review/

http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/equipment/reviews/irons/128620/1/wilson-staff-di11-irons-review.html

@ CnoEvil / @ the_Lhc

I understand being properly measured is the way to go, but I have done some research, and have found this http://www.ping.com/uploadedFiles/Custom_Fitting/PING_Color_Code_Chart.pdf Ping chart to give a reasonable idea of what length and lie I would need. The Wilsons are 3/4" longer than the Pings, so I've adjusted my length accordingly. 

This is another reason why I wanted to buy from that website, as they are a good price, and will adjust length and lie for you. 

To be honest, anything is better than I'm using, and there's no guarantee I'll stick with golf in the future, so price wise, they are about as high as I want to go at the moment.

And though it might not sound like I'm listening to the advice you're all kindly giving, I am, but in some ways it's making me even more indecisive (if that's possible). :grin:

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Again, it's not really relevant, the mizunos I couldn't hit were award winners according to one mag, if I'd bought them off the strength of the review I'd have given up the game a few weeks later!

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I understand being properly measured is the way to go, but I have done some research, and have found this http://www.ping.com/uploadedFiles/Custom_Fitting/PING_Color_Code_Chart.pdf Ping chart to give a reasonable idea of what length and lie I would need. The Wilsons are 3/4" longer than the Pings, so I've adjusted my length accordingly. 

This is another reason why I wanted to buy from that website, as they are a good price, and will adjust length and lie for you.

I think most sellers will do that. Ping actually have an interactive version of that fitting guide on their website, might be an idea to try that out.

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To be honest, anything is better than I'm using, and there's no guarantee I'll stick with golf in the future, so price wise, they are about as high as I want to go at the moment.

And though it might not sound like I'm listening to the advice you're all kindly giving, I am, but in some ways it's making me even more indecisive (if that's possible). :grin:

It's just like hi-fi isn't it? Just with added exercise...

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Thanks The_Lhc

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Just tried the interactive Ping measuring, and all came in as I had worked out using the chart.

But it did give me a variation on the grip thickness, so that's been helpful. Thanks

 

 

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