I didn't say you should care (and I think you know exactly what I was saying), the point is if horse racing or running races were dominated by one individual the way F1 is do you honestly think fans of those sports would turn round and say it's not important who wins it's all about what's happening back in the pack? Of course not.
I know what you're saying but I fail to see what relevance it has. For one thing, in what way is horse racing / athletics anything like F1?
They're all racing?
Oh come on Prof, that's just wrong, in distance running the one thing they DON'T do is "run as fast as they can", quite the opposite most of the time! Even in horse racing you'll quite often hear the jockey say he had to hold the horse back so it didn't run itself into the ground too early. At least the tactics are those of the runner/rider and not being dictated to them by someone over a radio.
Except for things like triathlon and so forth where they do exactly that. But it doesn't make any difference, if one driver is winning every race (as it appears Vettel would have done if they'd carried on with the 2012 tyres from the start of the season) then they will win the championship.
I'm arguing it because you don't seem to appreciate what you're saying (or refuse to admit because you can't admit that the sport has a big problem), namely that you yourself have given up caring about what happens at the front of the race. You're almost admitting that Vettel and Red Bull are irrelevant because you're only watching who comes 2nd to 10th. How can you not see how indicative that is of a fundamentally broken sport? That's my argument, the sport is broken and you're not saying anything to change my opinion on that.
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And there you have the problem, I know I'm wasting my breath arguing the point with the fanatics here, it's not those people that F1 needs to worry about, it's the casual viewer, it's the people that turn up and boo when they see Vettel winning race after race. If that carries on those people will stop coming to races and they'll stop watching on TV. If that happens the sport is in serious trouble.
That would be an issue if it wasn't for the fact that this has already happened and it was much worse for many years with Schumacher. But it survived that, and there's no reason to think it won't survive this, especially since the Red Bull / Vettel dominance is nothing like the Ferrari / Schumacher dominance.
Really? Schumacher/Ferrari won 5 in a row, Vettel/Red Bull have won 4 in a row and Vettel is only 26.
Not from my perspective, I used to watch every race, now I don't watch it at all, unless I've got absolutely nothing else to do.
And the one before last year he won it a race earlier than this year and in 2002 Schumacher won it at the last race with only 6 victories in the whole year. Sounds pretty similar to me...
Sigh - if you honestly think the sport now and the sport back during Ferrari / Schumacher days is the same, then you're watching different races to me. Or perhaps the fact you're not watching is the issue...
Anyway, we have two different perspectives and neither of us is going to agree so let's just leave it there. The long and the short of it is, some people will stop watching (until they find it enjoyable again) and some will continue to watch (and continue to enjoy it). There's no right or wrong, and there's certainly far more important things to be worrying about. Cables for instance.
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He's not a diamond geezer, or called Joe!
First of all congrats to Vettel, love him or hate him you have to give him credit for how he performs over a race weekend/season. Yes he does have the best car on the grid but he is bloody quick, consistent and rarely makes mistakes ( excluding the Webber incident ). Even the pundits on SKY were saying that you could put any other driver in the other seat at Red Bull and they would really struggle to beat him over a season. Helps when you have the best car on the grid and a team that performs well on and off the track but he still has to drive it.
Yes it does get a bit boring when the same person keeps on winning, especially with a car as dominant as the Red Bull on the 2012 spec tyres from mid season onwards. But there is still plenty of action in the rest of the field with some stunning drives from Grosjean for example, as well as some good scraps in the mid field teams for the constructors points.
Will be good to see how next year pans out as McLaren and Ferrari started developing next years car very early in the season, will that be enough with the new regs to catch up or beat the genius that is Adrian Newey? Only time will tell, I hope its alot closer at the front next year. Also what will happen to Brawn next year, will he move to say McLaren, Williams, take a year out, take over from Bernie? Who knows but I think its a shame he is being pushed out of Merc. There is even rumours that he might get a senior role on the FIA.
Its not only the racing that makes F1 but also all the politics I enjoy.
Seb did a good job, as did Red Bull - it's for the other teams to play catch up next year. I'm sure whatever Newey creates for Red Bull in 2014 will be competitive from the start.
On a side note - the BTCC was pretty good this season, going into the last round there were 5 drivers up with a chance to clinch the title. Well done Andrew Jordan!
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If Vettel wins the next race he'll equal Schumacher's personal record of 7 wins in a row. How exactly is it any different?
Maybe not but it appears Webber agrees with me, stating that nobody is interested in who gets 7th, 8th or 9th.
Are you honestly still arguing this?! Are you saying I'm wrong to still enjoy watching the sport?
No okay, you're right. I see the light now. Perhaps you'd like to inform me which sports I should actually enjoy watching instead? Also, it's nearly lunchtime - can you let me know what sandwich fillings I like?
I forgot I'd been having this conversation, the schumacher stat seemed relevant otherwise I wouldn't have thought of it.
No, I don't think I've ever said that, what I'm saying is I don't understand WHY you enjoy it. And I can't, personally, enjoy it for the other reasons you say you do.
Ok, turn it around, are you honestly saying you wouldn't prefer it if each race was much closer, went down to the wire and a lot more people had a chance of winning each race (baring mechanical failures)?
Are you honestly still arguing this?!
Stats prove very little. If you actually watched the races, you might know that the current sport is very different from the Schumacher days (if indeed you actually watched them - I'm guessing not).
Are you saying I'm wrong to still enjoy watching the sport?
No, I don't think I've ever said that, what I'm saying is I don't understand WHY you enjoy it.
So? There are many things in life that people do and enjoy that I don't understand, even once they explain why they enjoy it. I don't go around arguing with them on the reasons why they shouldn't enjoy them.
And I can't, personally, enjoy it for the other reasons you say you do.
Fair enough - I don't think anyone is asking you to.
Of course not. What's that got to do with me enjoying it when it isn't like that?
I have no idea what you're trying to do except just to say again and again that you don't like the sport currently. Okay, I got that. We can move on now.
I saw the BBC's highlights show but I don't understand in what way they're different, Vettel passed on the first corner, led every lap and won by over 30 seconds. How is that different to Schumacher at his best?
So doesn't that suggest to you that the sport, such as it is at the moment, is broken and could be massively improved upon, from a spectator point of view at least?
Anyway my point is not whether you or I enjoy it or not, my concern is the viewing public. If, grud forbid, the next season turns out like this one, who's going to watch, especially in the new territories? I mean, people were paying hundreds of dollars to go see the event and were booing the result! That's not healthy for any sport.
You're comparing 6 years of Schumacher / Ferrari dominance, where Michael would regularly lap most of the field and beat the closest rival (either Williams or McLaren generally) mostly by anywhere between 30 seconds to 1 minute every race, with the results of three recent races where Seb has won by that margin?
As to your other point...
That's my last word on this subject now as it's getting very tiring.
Roll on 2014!
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