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With cycling safety being highly popular in the news at the moment, few if any words are spent explaining the perils of being a vehicle driver in this country ...

A friend of mine nearly run over a neighbour on his way home a couple of nights ago. The inidividual was riding a push bike in dark clothes with no lights, reflectors ... anything. - Not a rare sight around here, I can confirm.

If he had run him over, guess who would have felt the full impact of the law.

About time cyclist are held responsible as road users with front/rear lights (not just reflectors) being made compulsory. Whilst at it, make helmets and a high-viz vest the law too and introduce a number plate system as they have in some other places.

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Surely front and rear lights ARE compulsory. Cyclists can be prosecuted just like motorists.

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drummerman wrote:

About time cyclist are held responsible as road users with front/rear lights (not just reflectors) being made compulsory. Whilst at it, make helmets and a high-viz vest the law too and introduce a number plate system as they have in some other places.

 

lights are compulsory in the dark and I have seen people get fined for it.  Making helmets compulsory tends to decrease the amount of peope cycling and actually increase the amount of accidents (see australia figures).  also a lot more people are injured and die from head injuries in cars, but I never see people saying that helmets should be made compulsory for car drivers?

No country has a number plate system for bikes, and quite frankly it's a rubbish idea.  We don't have number plates for people walking about throwing their fists around on a weekend, so why a bike?  A hell of a lot more people get injured through that than cyling...

It's like anything in life, some people don't care about others, and people need to start taking responsibility for their actions.  Also, darwin awards apply here, if somebody is cycling at night in dark clothes without any lights, they are more likely to get injured at their own risk.

The much better and more sensible approach would be to make cycling proficiency compulsory as part of school pe lessons.  that way everybody gets to learn and as they years go on, it would progressivly get better.

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Switzerland used to have a number plate requirement for cycles. It cost sFR.8.00 per year. Not just is this a good idea because of ownership registration but they should have a compulary inspection for road worthyness at the same time!

Why would wearing a helmet increase accident rates?

Both should, in my opinion, be made law.

If my friend would have run this guy over, regardless of whether he had no lights etc, do you really think he would have gotten off lightly?

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Trefor Patten wrote:

Surely front and rear lights ARE compulsory. Cyclists can be prosecuted just like motorists.

You are correct. Sadly (speaking as a motorist and a cyclist) a lot of cyclists break this particular law. My son was stopped by lady recently who said she had trouble seeing him and he has lights and reflectors so we now insist he wears a reflective vest at night.

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hammill wrote:

Trefor Patten wrote:

Surely front and rear lights ARE compulsory. Cyclists can be prosecuted just like motorists.

You are correct. Sadly (speaking as a motorist and a cyclist) a lot of cyclists break this particular law. My son was stopped by lady recently who said she had trouble seeing him and he has lights and reflectors so we now insist he wears a reflective vest at night.

 

You are lucky to find people having reflectors on their bikes around here, never mind proper lights which are absolutely necessary.

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Around my area I'm convinced cyclists have suicide pacts. They don't look at junctions and when they hear a car do they go in single file? Like hell!

If you run over, the driver is always blamed - or they marry a pop star and demand huge amounts of money with the divorce settlement. Angry

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I'm a cyclist and a driver...but the nightmare risks that I see other cyclists take amazes me.

A major rule of driving safely is to assume that all other drivers are complete idiots. They could do anything at any time.

Multiply that rule for cyclists - assume that all cyclists are complete idiots and think they own the road and all the little gaps between traffic; that car and truck indicators are not for them; and that they think all drivers have some sort of fly-like vision - at least 360 degrees and night vision too.

Don't some cyclists realise that a dead cyclist does not stay in the news for long - but they stay dead forever and their families suffer for so much longer.

To make it safer and get more people cycling, where we live, I think it should be legal for cyclists to use the pavement, even where there is no cycle lane ( but with a speed limit the same as for those mobility scooters (another subject Smile ) but they should be properly policed - and have to wear reflective clothing and lights. Or be fined.

 

 

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Although it is an interesting question as to why accident figures in Australia increased, the figures were quite clear. I wear a helmet but that is primarily to encourage the children who are more susceptible to head injuries. The stats for helmets on bikes simply do not justify legislation for adults.

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drummerman wrote:

Switzerland used to have a number plate requirement for cycles. It cost sFR.8.00 per year. Not just is this a good idea because of ownership registration but they should have a compulary inspection for road worthyness at the same time!

 

used to, and they dropped it because it didn't work and was useless.

 

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Why would wearing a helmet increase accident rates?

 

down to percieved safety.  There's been rafts of studies done on it and if people see cyclists wearing helmets they give them less room when passing etc as they percieve the cyclist to be safer if they are hit.  Just have a quick google if you don't believe me....  Also in Australia when they introduced the compulsory law for cycle helmets, the amount of people cycling dropped, which in turn is less safe for those left on the roads.  Leave it up to the individual to make the decision, unless they are children, then it's up to the parent.  We don't need a law for this. 

 

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Both should, in my opinion, be made law.

 

why?  If it's safety, like I've already said, you'd be much better bringing in a law for car drivers to wear helmets as well, that would reduce deaths and injuries a lot more than on a bike. 

 

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If my friend would have run this guy over, regardless of whether he had no lights etc, do you really think he would have gotten off lightly?

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not necessaily.  People are becoming more wise to this and I've seen instances of the drivers not bing blamed if the cyclist doesn't have lights on etc.  You're making a very large assumption on something that didn't happen.

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I'm a cyclist and a driver...but the nightmare risks that I see other cyclists take amazes me.

A major rule of driving safely is to assume that all other drivers are complete idiots. They could do anything at any time.

Multiply that rule for cyclists - assume that all cyclists are complete idiots and think they own the road and all the little gaps between traffic; that car and truck indicators are not for them; and that they think all drivers have some sort of fly-like vision - at least 360 degrees and night vision too.

Don't some cyclists realise that a dead cyclist does not stay in the news for long - but they stay dead forever and their families suffer for so much longer.

To make it safer and get more people cycling, where we live, I think it should be legal for cyclists to use the pavement, even where there is no cycle lane ( but with a speed limit the same as for those mobility scooters (another subject Smile ) but they should be properly policed - and have to wear reflective clothing and lights. Or be fined.

 

 

couldn't agree more with what you have to say. 

 

It's a shame that people feel the need to be in the "right" when it comes to the road.  Car drivers swerving to hit bikes because the bike did something wrong and vice versa.  It's not the place to play playground games, yet people do it all the time. 

 

Ideally, cycles and cars shouldn't mix and there should be a lot more off road provision for bikes, but it's a cost limitation factor which is a shame.

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I've even had cyclists riding the wrong way up a busy two-way road, just because it's more convenient for the cyclist for the next turn they want to make.  Angry

A combined collision speed of 40mph is going to kill the cyclist, and permanently traumatise an innocent driver.

Safer cycling is a real partnership of trust and mutual respect - both sides have to work together.

 

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DandyCobalt wrote:

I've even had cyclists riding the wrong way up a busy two-way road, just because it's more convenient for the cyclist for the next turn they want to make.  Angry

A combined collision speed of 40mph is going to kill the cyclist, and permanently traumatise an innocent driver.

Safer cycling is a real partnership of trust and mutual respect - both sides have to work together.

 

 

like I said - darwn awards sometimes!  Does make me wonder why people think they can take on a car and win!

 

I still think that the way forward is education from an early age.  That way when they get older and start driving cars, they will also know what it's like to be on a bike, as well as being able to cycle properly.  Introducing laws left right and center will only stop people cycling and won't solve anything :(  there's enough nanny state going on as it is, we don't need more.  All it serves to do is stop people being responsible for their own actions.

 

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I'm with cheeseboy.

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Cyclists = own worst enemies. It doesn't matter how much you are in the right when you're dead.

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