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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918 

Really p*sses me off, this is the SECOND cyclist he's killed. Driving ban for life plus 18 months in a Buddhist monastery to reflect would be a far more appropriate sentence.  

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Should be locked up for a while!!

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Should be locked up for a while!!

 

As should cyclists who don't think the road-rules apply to them. And from what I've seen I'm not even sure they're even the minority round here. That doesn't excuse this bloke's behaviour though, and I'm not even slightly saying it does. He deserves being locked up.

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I am a cyclist myself, and I really don't like riding on the roads - it can be quite frightening - I much prefer mountain trails.

I remember some years ago when I was driving, nearly knocking someone off their bike at a roundabout, it was dark, raining, and the cyclist was wearing dark clothing. If I had knocked him off - it clearly would have been my fault - so this was a good lesson for me and since I always 'double-check' for cyclists. But last year - again in the dark - I gently clipped a cyclist forcing him to jump off his bike. He had dark clothing on, a front light that was dim at best, and my view was boken up by road works barriers. He was ok, it upset me and my wife, and my car has a deep gash in the front bumper - but technically again it was my fault. 

Thankfully in both cases, no-one was hurt, but it could have been different, and in the circumstances does it make me a dangerous driver? We just have to hope - as it could happen to any of us - that the court comes to a just decision based on the circumstances of the incident. Although I have to say that I would have expected a sterner sentence if I had killed someone for the second time.

I just wish that all cyclists would wear helmets and hi-vis clothing - especially at night. 

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As a once keen MOTORcyclist, I can assure you the average "cage" driver might as well be Stevie Wonder when it comes to spotting anything on two wheels.

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Did you see that documentary earlier in the year? Think it was called  "War on the Roads"

It illustrated, in a balanced way in my view, that there are good and bad motorists/cyclists/pedestrians out there. Whatever your particular mode of transport you need to be watching for the other road users. Quite scary in places

In this case,  I agree he's got off too lightly

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I'm absolutely with you on this.

Standby for more replies along the lines of  'cyclists should wear helmets, hi-viz etc.'  as opposed to 'motorists should take responsibility for their behaviour, look where they're going, anticipate hazards, and even consider slowing down now and then'.

And before we get the usual old guff about 'cyclists don't pay road tax', for the millionith time may I point out; There is no such thing as road tax. It was abolished in 1937. The roads are paid for out of our council tax. Motorways and some trunk roads are paid for out of general taxation, of which, the vehicle duty (tax disc, vehicle not road tax), represents a tiny proportion.

To misquote Oscar Wilde; To kill one cyclist may be regarded as a misfortune; to kill two looks like carelessness.

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Not to exempt the driver from blame or appropriate sentence, but the 'previous' was from nearly 30 years ago.  So hardly a rampaging murderer.  The cyclist was not wearing a helmet and this was taken into account when deciding the overall contribution to her death.

I trust that with this length of ban, he will have to pass a driving test again[the vagaries of Scottish law permitting] and so he might in effect have a life ban after all.

Cyclists should do their bit on the road.  Wear a helmet, be easily visible, have fully functioning lights and use them and ride within the law and highway code.  Tin can drivers are very poor at 'seeing' two wheeled persons, as years of motor-cycling have taught me, so 2 'wheelers' need to do more to make sure they can be seen.

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whiskywheels wrote:
Standby for more replies along the lines of  'cyclists should wear helmets, hi-viz etc.' 

Like I said.

A cycle helmet might prevent a skull fracture at 12mph but won't necessarily save your life or serious injury when hit by a car.

Given that over 48000 pedestrians (more than 3 times the number of cyclists)  were killed or seriously injured by cars between 2001-2009,  perhaps they should be the ones wearing hi-viz and helmets?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918 

Really p*sses me off, this is the SECOND cyclist he's killed. Driving ban for life plus 18 months in a Buddhist monastery to reflect would be a far more appropriate sentence.  

It would seem that its ok to kill 2 cyclists I am sorry but a life time driving ban and a 10 year prison sentance would not be enough as with good behavior he would be out in 5 years  as it is this guy if he had got life would not have killed the 2nd victim if it had been on of mine I am afraid I would have delt with him in the same way with my car I mean if I was looking at the kind of punishment he got  it would be a small price to pay for justice  

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918 

Really p*sses me off, this is the SECOND cyclist he's killed. Driving ban for life plus 18 months in a Buddhist monastery to reflect would be a far more appropriate sentence.  

It would seem that its ok to kill 2 cyclists I am sorry but a life time driving ban and a 10 year prison sentance would not be enough as with good behavior he would be out in 5 years  as it is this guy if he had got life would not have killed the 2nd victim if it had been on of mine I am afraid I would have delt with him in the same way with my car I mean if I was looking at the kind of punishment he got  it would be a small price to pay for justice  

 

This is ridiculous and makes you look less than sensible.  It is not ok to kill cyclists once let alone twice bu the circumstances of the case, of which we know almost nothing, determined his sentence.  This last incident seems, on very scanty comment, to have been a momentary failure not anything dangerous or reckless.  If he had been given 'Life' the first time then he would still have been out in time for the second incident.  'Life' sentences do not mean being locked up for the rest of your natural life.

Were you to use a vehicle as a weapon to gain revenge [which you almost certainly wouldn't] then you would be done for murder and then you would get a mandatory life sentence if found guilty.

To whoever it was telling us about pedestrians.  Perhaps they should wear helmets or perhaps a lot of them shouldn't walk out in front of vehicles.  I have seen more people knocked down by cyclists[pedal] on the pavement than by any cars.

Road safety is about everyone contributing as much as possible to ensure safer roads and pavements.  

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toyota man wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918 

Really p*sses me off, this is the SECOND cyclist he's killed. Driving ban for life plus 18 months in a Buddhist monastery to reflect would be a far more appropriate sentence.  

It would seem that its ok to kill 2 cyclists I am sorry but a life time driving ban and a 10 year prison sentance would not be enough as with good behavior he would be out in 5 years  as it is this guy if he had got life would not have killed the 2nd victim if it had been on of mine I am afraid I would have delt with him in the same way with my car I mean if I was looking at the kind of punishment he got  it would be a small price to pay for justice  

 

This is ridiculous and makes you look less than sensible.  It is not ok to kill cyclists once let alone twice bu the circumstances of the case, of which we know almost nothing, determined his sentence.  This last incident seems, on very scanty comment, to have been a momentary failure not anything dangerous or reckless.  If he had been given 'Life' the first time then he would still have been out in time for the second incident.  'Life' sentences do not mean being locked up for the rest of your natural life.

Were you to use a vehicle as a weapon to gain revenge [which you almost certainly wouldn't] then you would be done for murder and then you would get a mandatory life sentence if found guilty.

To whoever it was telling us about pedestrians.  Perhaps they should wear helmets or perhaps a lot of them shouldn't walk out in front of vehicles.  I have seen more people knocked down by cyclists[pedal] on the pavement than by any cars.

Road safety is about everyone contributing as much as possible to ensure safer roads and pavements.  

to be honest to kill 1 cyclist could be seen as an accident but 2  you would have thought he would have been more carefull as you say its up to all of us to be more carefull 

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