How credible are your sources then? One has a book to sell while the other has been associated with companies dealing with nutritional supplements. Totally depends on what you want to believe.
As regards to reading, of course I read it, with pinch of salt for reasons above. Personally, I don't agree with it at all.
You don't seem to get that they know their science. Anyway, let's agree to let me go on believing I'm right, as you couldn't reply with something that convinced me that the studies you hold so dear are worth the time of day.
Maybe some want to sell books becaus ethey believe in what is in them?
Attia likes a particular supplement (Doctors recommend suplements all the time), I think, but seems wary of becoming too closely identified with it, as yet...
I'll try one last gasp...collating bad research and getting someone sympathetic to your conclusion to "peer review" it is not science and it is amazing to me that you just say "well, it's all we have, so must be great".
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Actually, it does. If your study kicking meat is peer reviewed by Dean Ornish!
But you're not a serious person, saying anything serious, and know not whereof you speak with the rest of your bilge. I've given you sources, by all means educate yourself. I can lead a horse to water...
P.S. Who is this Ornish chappy? One of the great dieticians of the modern era?
Another person who has books to sell.
BY JOVE HE'S GOT IT!
You said it does not matter who does studies, and I think it does. It also matters who peer reviews them. Who is Ornish? No, I'm done spoon feeding you, as you're ovbiously just a bad troll.
Pulled as unfair.
Cheers, Alec, mate.
Oh dear. I'm with BB on this one. I'm no doctor, nor do I claim to have any medical knowledge but I do have a very good qualification when it comes to cooking (some say I'm obsessed with diets).
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT (IMO). I've had so many family experiences where diet has enhanced their lives, although I won't go into any real detail for obvious reasons.
Any food we eat has in impact on our wellbeing.
Anyone who says "I'd rather eat meat and die at 70.... " is talking cobblers (sorry Big Chris). Chances are if you carry on with that attitude you won't see 70.
I'm not a carrot muncher, nor am I a meat regardless person. Contrary to most views veggies, salads and fruits can have big, bold flavours - and taste very nice. There is a balance to be struck here: meat is fine in moderation.
We are all lucky that a combo of an improving diet and better treatments/medicines has made us, generally, live longer. But there is still more we can do to live even longer and have a more active lifestyles.
All my knowledge on diets does not come from blogs, newspapers, hearsay, idle gossip... but from personal experience.
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Those CAPPED words don't actually mean anything though, PP. Indeed, another meaningless phrase that I prefer (as it takes a little less unpacking) is "you are what you do with what your body eats". In fact, that ties into your last sentence - we can have different experiences. One of the problems is that nutritional science has never allowed for individual difference very well*. This makes your experiences meaningful and meaningless at the same time. I'm pretty sure though, that you cannot say your experiences include one of someone definitely, categorically, demonstrably getting cancer due to red meat consumption.
*The problem comes when shoddy science says "red meat eating will significantly decrease your life expectancy" in such a blanket, general way, inspiring dumb tabloid headlines much beloved of people with egos and interests.
EDIT - beg pardon, I meant "you are what your body does with what you eat".
I think papers produced after years of accredited research are probably more trustworthy than an unreferenced blog written by unknowns whos research is presumably no more than typing words on pages. You're comparing years of research across the planet with blogs from disgruntled losers. No argument, as far as I can see.
You should also be aware that whether the researcher is vegetarian, a baptist, or a freemason has zero impact on the results.
Joelsim, no, they're not. That's a pure stereotype invented by carnivores. Are you not aware that some of the great cuisines are mostly vegetarian, and were so befor the coming of quorn. Incidentally, you missed out the nut loaf.
Blimey, it was only a Viz Top Tip.
It made me laugh anyway, but then I don't have anything against vegetarians, each to his or her own, that's what makes the world go round.
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Nothing wrong with red meat PP. We are omnivores.
What could be more natural than the caveman diet? ie fish, nuts, meat, vegetables, fruit.
The problems stem from all the processing and additives and the fact that our lives these days are sedentiary, comparatively.
I personally avoid pre-packed food most of the time and cook from fresh. I vary what I eat from day to day, it often doesn't involve meat, it often does.
Don't beg anything...
It is a fact that diet can dictate a mood: For example, too much sugar can make you hypo, especially with children. My daughter has never had, in her 11 years, serious hypo problems - we're lucky from day one she's loved veggies. She'd rather have a plate of green beans, blanched cabbage than a plate-load of burgers. In fact we've only visited a Ronald... or KFC a handful of times in her short existence.
Also, you're wheelchair user, aren't you? Mrs. P is the same and five years ago she was diagnosed with sleep apnea, where she had to go to bed with a oxygen mask on. Over the past two years she's changed the way she eats - not stupid fad diets that cost the earth, but sensible eating: smaller portions. She has lost 3 stone in the past two years and she no longer wears a mask.
Oddly, since then a huge report came out connecting sleep apnea with weight and diet. Her last visit to the Royal Brompton has confirmed her blood/oxygen level are the same as a younger, able bodied person.
I could mention many other family diet issues but won't.
Good to hear.
Never said there's anything wrong with red or any other colour meat. Moderation....
Very scientific. So, why have you been defending studies that do say red meat is bad for you?
Haven't. Just commented on the OH's improving health with a newspapaper article. Whether there's any genuine connection, couldn't say. What I do know is the OH's health has dramatically improved by adjusting what she eats. Any connection? really don't know.
PP, I agree (pretty unscientifically, though) tha food can help and hinder in many ways, though id be careful about generalizing from personal experiences and how I use words like fact.
But there seems to be nothing in anything you have said tto do withtyour agreement with the good doctor on the specific issue we were debating. That's just a musing, and not an attempt to be a mod or whatever.
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