BBB, what does your comment about hunter gathering being a non syarter mean?
Our distant ancestors had to kill to eat, did they not?
So when I'm asked why I don't eat meat, I usually reply with "why do you eat meat?"
The reply is usually along the lines that we have descended from hunter gatherers, it's natural for us to do so.
I'm not arguing with that point, it's a fact, but, the majority of meat eaters no longer hunt for the meat that they eat, they buy it from butchers, supermarkets etc. It's slaughtered, chopped up, packed, and even cooked ready for them.
This in my opinion, invalidates the hunter gatherer argument for eating meat.
Maybe it's more that we needed the meat and therefore had to do what it took, whereas now we get it more easily?
We get it too easily, which is exactly my point.
I had no idea what I was eating as a kid, and I don't think children now know what they are eating.
If it's ok to eat meat (and I'll repeat that I think it is), take kids to the slaughterhouses and show them exactly how the meat they eat gets to the table.
Just tell the truth, and let people decide, or is the pressure from the meat industry so great that we're not allowed to tell the truth?
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An interesting point that comes out of that is, if it is better to eat meat than not, is it moral to tell people to avoid it based on their consciences, when other animals don't do that? That is to say, some separate the moral and nutritional where meat is concerned, but I wonder if they aren't the same thing...
That's intended as a very general musing, Mr Bresslaw.
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I don't think you can work out morality by comparing human behaviour to that of animals....
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Other animals don't cage animals and slaughter them en-masse.
They didn't invent guns to make the killing easier.
They don't shine lights in the eyes of other animals to startle them, then shoot them.
But, we are just animals. Imagien a world in which we know beyond doubt that it is beneficial to eat animal produce. Would it not be immoral to reccomend we don't eat it for "moral" reasons?
None of which can make it wrong to eat them, per se, if it is nutritionally wise to do so.
Other animals don't have a conscience, we do, yet we still slaughter with little conscience, and eat meat with even less.
My points are valid.
Those monkeys in that film did.
I'm not suggesting they are not, depending on what you really mean by valid. The problem is we have a contradiction - it can be seen as morally wrong to eat meat, and, perhaps, morally wrong not to.
I don't think it's morally wrong to eat meat, I just think it's morally wrong to not tell children exactly what they are eating, and how it got to their plates.
As I said, I wasn't talking about you specifically. I wonder, however, what you think the result of doing that with children may be...
They can make their own choices based on the facts, rather than propaganda and peer pressure.
Sorry. Results unknown, but I would rather have been told the truth from a young age.
What else would you call it?
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