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I have just eaten 590g of ribeye steak for my lunch, very nice it was too (their wasn't much room on the plate for the vegetables), i was just wondering is steak bad for you ???

No. And much of the fat you get in them is th esame stuff you find in olive oil.

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Well that will never happen, you just pay someone to do it for you, if their is a market their will be a business.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Interesting points, BBB.

I wonder how many would eat meat if they had to slaughter the animal itself?

I don't think it would be such a high percentage, which makes the hunter/gatherer argument a non-starter doesn't it?

Saying that, I would include myself in that if I had to catch my own fish, and I can't eat it if the head's still on either.  excellent!

I guess we're all hypocrites to differing degrees.

 

 

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simonlewis wrote:

I have just eaten 590g of ribeye steak for my lunch, very nice it was too (their wasn't much room on the plate for the vegetables), i was just wondering is steak bad for you ???

No. And much of the fat you get in them is th esame stuff you find in olive oil.

I think there is quite a lot of evidence out there which would dispute that claim.

Saying that, I'm, not a militant non meat eater, so as long as you know exactly what you are eating, and know the health issues that excessive red meat eating can cause, and of course, the health issues of not eating meat, then I have absolutely no objections to you excercising your right to eat exactly what you want.

Which is why I hate being asked why I don't eat meat, it's a personal choice isn't it, and nobody else's business but mine.

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Interesting points, BBB.

I wonder how many would eat meat if they had to slaughter the animal itself?

If it were a choice between that and, say, broccoli, then I'd be first in line with the cleaver.

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"Come on now John, come downstairs and eat up all your broccoli"

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The evidence against red meat (that it causes bowel cancer) is based on correlation, not causation. Now, the same is true of smoking and lung cancer, but that is one of only two or three areas where the correlation is so great as to suffice (the lung cancer correlation being, I think, one hundred times greatet than the bowel cancer correlation. Nutritional science is incredibly hard to do well, so we should view it extremely cautiously.

 

BBB, what does your comment about hunter gathering being a non syarter mean?

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I don't argue though, she's quite wealthy, and doesn't have any children.  excellent!

Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world. Smile

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You should eat no more than 70 grams red meat a day to cut the risk of bowel cancer.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/red-meat.aspx

In fact, newer research suggests even less amounts.

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RE: I eat chicken and fish but

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

I don't argue though, she's quite wealthy, and doesn't have any children.  excellent!

Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world. Smile

That's my aunty, not my wife's. Saying that, she's a health freak, so will probably out live me despite her lack of Japanese blood.

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You should eat no more than 70 grams red meat a day to cut the risk of bowel cancer. http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/red-meat.aspx In fact, newer research suggests even less amounts.

"Red meat – such as beef, lamb and pork – can form part of a healthy diet. But eating a lot of red and processed meat probably increases your risk of bowel (colorectal) cancer."

And this from our NHS. That worries me. Here is a good counterpoint http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-red-meat-killing-us

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BBB, what does your comment about hunter gathering being a non syarter mean?

Our distant ancestors had to kill to eat, did they not? 

So when I'm asked why I don't eat meat, I usually reply with "why do you eat meat?"

The reply is usually along the lines that we have descended from hunter gatherers, it's natural for us to do so. 

I'm not arguing with that point, it's a fact, but, the majority of meat eaters no longer hunt for the meat that they eat, they buy it from butchers, supermarkets etc. It's slaughtered, chopped up, packed, and even cooked ready for them. 

This in my opinion, invalidates the hunter gatherer argument for eating meat.

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Alec wrote:

BBB, what does your comment about hunter gathering being a non syarter mean?

Our distant ancestors had to kill to eat, did they not? 

So when I'm asked why I don't eat meat, I usually reply with "why do you eat meat?"

The reply is usually along the lines that we have descended from hunter gatherers, it's natural for us to do so. 

I'm not arguing with that point, it's a fact, but, the majority of meat eaters no longer hunt for the meat that they eat, they buy it from butchers, supermarkets etc. It's slaughtered, chopped up, packed, and even cooked ready for them. 

This in my opinion, invalidates the hunter gatherer argument for eating meat.

OK?

Maybe it's more that we needed the meat and therefore had to do what it took, whereas now we get it more easily?

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Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world. Smile

And decreasing birth rates. Now there's a pension crisis in the making.

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Alec wrote:

BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

Alec wrote:

BBB, what does your comment about hunter gathering being a non syarter mean?

Our distant ancestors had to kill to eat, did they not? 

So when I'm asked why I don't eat meat, I usually reply with "why do you eat meat?"

The reply is usually along the lines that we have descended from hunter gatherers, it's natural for us to do so. 

I'm not arguing with that point, it's a fact, but, the majority of meat eaters no longer hunt for the meat that they eat, they buy it from butchers, supermarkets etc. It's slaughtered, chopped up, packed, and even cooked ready for them. 

This in my opinion, invalidates the hunter gatherer argument for eating meat.

OK?

Maybe it's more that we needed the meat and therefore had to do what it took, whereas now we get it more easily?

 

Not exactly needed, but...

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49888012/

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