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As I have now exceeded the USB folder / file limit on my new M-CR610 (displays max of 5000 files/folders via USB attached devices) I need to sort out a NAS server for storing my music. So if anyone has any first hand experience I'd be grateful for input.

Basically I don't want to leave my PC on 24/7 with Serviio running..same kind of scenario as the majority I'd imagine. Music format will be flac only. Not bothered about anything else really. Oh, except I do rip the occasional DVD to mpeg or VOBs so that would be useful (usually because of NTSC region 1 discs as udp player not multiregion..). 

I read somewhere that some of these devices don't support gapless flac, but as the CR610 does how does that work? I thought the point was to to 'stream' the bits to the Marantz and then the Marantz takes care of things after that? Bit confused about that bit. Anyhow, anything that messes with gapless is no good at all. I have just under 700 CDs so need space for them and for more as I am always adding to the pile.

 

I don't want to cobble anything together though but I'm not looking to spend a fortune either. Of course once music is in flac then redundancy is vital. How do you handle that aside of raid? Make a master backup and store it somewhere? Wouldn't ever want to rip all my music again - haven't even finished the move to flac yet...I did the whole lot a few years ago to 320kbps MP3s using EAC and LAME so this will be a one time only thing. Not enough hours in my life to keep repeating this procedure.

 

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

Sokay. I read somewhere on these forums that there's been a gapless update for Synology NAS and they seem to have very good reviews, so will probably head towards a Synology DS213+ DiskStation and add 2 x 3TB WD Red drives to it. Strange how the enclosure complete with the same drives is so much more expensive than it is buying the enclosure and drives separately. £610.06 including 2 x 3TB WD drives but bought separately it would be approx. £260.97 + £108.91 x 2 for the drives so £478.79. That's a difference of £131.27. Seems a bit rich?

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

Gapless playback is dependant on the mediaserver and the playback software - not the NAS itself.

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Exactly.

 

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So what media server does the Synology NAS run? Can you install any media server on it?

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SiUK wrote:

So what media server does the Synology NAS run? Can you install any media server on it?

 

nope you are missing the point.

 

what are you going to use to "play" your music?  that is what you need to consider as it may reqire some software on the NAS or it might not.

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I will be playing music via a Marantz M-CR610. I want to be able to use a tablet and or smart phone (or even TV) to select the music and be able to see the embedded artwork/ folder artwork rather than use the Marantz M-CR610 to navigate through all the music folders using the remote control and the limited OLED display.

As for missing the point, quite possibly. At the present time I can browse an attached USB drive (connected directly to the Marantz) and choose music to play from the folders on the drive. Not ideal, but okay. I have the Marantz remote app on my phone and I'm therefore able to select which music I'd like to play on the Marantz but the apps isn't great and you don't get to see the embedded artwork until after you have chosen music to play. I can also connect to a DLNA server running on my PC (called Serviio). I connect to it directly using the Marantz M-CR610 and again use the remote control to browse the flac library on the PC. It's okay, but not exactly what I am looking for, So I am therefore thinking that the NAS server replaces the PC and therefore has on onboard media server but if it is literally just network attached storage then it's not what I was thinking it was. I thought I'd seen a demo somewhere showing the Synology with a load of installable apps for that purpose. Perhaps I've got it all screwed up.

Anyhow, if you could spell it out for me I'd be much obliged.

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I think some people are confusing you unnecessarily. Yes, the Synology has its own media player called Audio Station, and yes, it recently got an update which means it supports gapless playback ( link).

I think that's all you needed to know?

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professorhat wrote:

I think some people are confusing you unnecessarily. Yes, the Synology has its own media player called Audio Station, and yes, it recently got an update which means it supports gapless playback ( link).

I think that's all you needed to know?

 

and here we have the confusion between hardware and software a media player can be both.

 

so again you need to decide what is going to play the music.

 

as your CR610 can do you dont need a NAS that can. Your privious USB device did not but your CR610 did with no problems?

 

a NAS is just a big storage box in its most basic and does not need to do anything other than hold 1 and 0s

 

so do you want a NAS that will play the music or not?

 

yes run raid so that if one disc fails you can swap out the failed disc and not lose the data.

 

also have a copy on another disc somewhere else.

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

With the replies SiUK has got on this thread, is it any wonder they're confused!

What is being asked is, what are you intending to use to play back music i.e. what will your interface be when choosing what music to play. If you're looking for something that can provide media server, then the Synology will do this with its Audio Station software, and this now supports gapless playback.

If however, you only really need the NAS to "store" the music, then the Synology will do this for you, but whether or not the NAS itself offers gapless playback is irrelevant as you won't be using its media server software in this case e.g. if you use a Sonos system as I do, it literally just reads the music from the NAS and the Sonos software is key as to whether it offers gapless playback - the underlying music store / NAS is irrelevant. 

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

Two thing can happen if you buy a NAS:

- use it as a storage and audio player through is DS Audio player and control it with the app in your ithing.

but the Marantz need to have a USB input or a COAX ( but you'll need a USB/S/PDIF converter) because the NAS only has USB output, one way or another you'll be using the Marantz internal DAC.

- or use the NAS as a storage and use the Marantz as a Audio player. The Marantz need to have a ethernet (LAN socket) input.

If yes you can use it as a streamer and he will pic up the content in the NAS.

 

and a NAS is a bit more that a box to store 0 and 1. 

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nads wrote:
as your CR610 can do you dont need a NAS that can. Your privious USB device did not but your CR610 did with no problems?

He knows that but he doesn't like the app.

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a NAS is just a big storage box in its most basic and does not need to do anything other than hold 1 and 0s

so do you want a NAS that will play the music or not?

I think he's made it quite clear that he does and has offered a suggestion (the Synology).

What I don't think he'll be able to find is an app that lets him use his TV for choosing the music etc, although I might be wrong, I've never used the Synology app, seems unlikely it offers that functionality though.

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

The only downside for Synology is an enthusiast. Most people will just use the DS audio app, and that will do what they want,

 

 

 

For the more advanced user with Linux skills....

The custom version of Linux they run (DSM) does not make it easy to install apps on it outside of what Synology offer.

If you want to install non-standard packages you need to use ipkg or rebuild them yourself. There is also a list of supported PHP apps on Synologys wiki page.

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

Thanks for everyone's input. Appreciated.

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Yes, the Synology has its own media player called Audio Station, and yes, it recently got an update which means it supports gapless playback. I think that's all you needed to know?

Yep, that's about right, thankyou for that. Smile

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What I don't think he'll be able to find is an app that lets him use his TV for choosing the music etc

I was actually thinking that might be the case, The _Lhc. But it wasn't essential...it was an afterthought tbh - my new TV has a web browser so was thinking I might be able to access the media server that way. But I'd be quite content being able to use a tablet and smartphone, so it isn't something I'll give any more thought to really. Thanks.

 

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@ AnotherJoe

Thanks for that.  I shall definitely investigate and evaluate options..

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RE: NAS recommendation ..has to do gapless

The Zyxel NSA325 is a cracking little NAS and I have been using two of them for a year. Has the Squeezebox server built in and this beams everything through Ethernet to my Marantz m cr510 beautifully. It also serves an Onkyo crn 755, Squeezebox and of course all PC's on the network being fast enough to serve the lot all at once without problem. It also has the Twonky media server (which I hate)

All of the music side goes from Zyxel, through Squeezebox server doing the DLNA bit, where it is picked up by my phone/Nexus 7 running Bubble UPNP which controls the Marantz. Works a treat!

 

I haven,t bothered with RAID, preferring to keep a separate backup of the library/disk elsewhere, for two underpant levels of safety.

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