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feel this is due to the likes of spotify and other streaming services. i have spotify premium and don't buy any cd's now. cd sales will only decline now, and the fact that more hi-fi and av units will integrate these streaming providers into there equipment.ie onkyo 609. also make more enviroment sense not to produce cd's.

 

Spotify is like having an enormous world collection of music. Less all the manufacturing of cd's. 

no transport needed 

no materials needed

maybe bands will just have to play music because they enjoy it.

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...maybe bands will just have to play music because they enjoy it.

So you don't think any money should go to musicians?

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I`m pretty sure there were more turntables sold in the UK last year than cd players.

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not in the way people get ripped off by the overpriced cd's and merchandise.

don't know how spotify works in regards to royalties to musicians.

just saying no need to buy expensive cd's.

most musicians say they play becuase they love to play .

If there's less cost involved in producing the music we listen to , maybe the bands would actually get more revenue from there music.

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survivor wrote:
I`m pretty sure there were more turntables sold in the UK last year than cd players.

Wouldn't have thought that to be true

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not in the way people get ripped off by the overpriced cd's and merchandise.

Yeah that new Radiohead album's 9 quid! Thieving b^H^H^H...

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don't know how spotify works in regards to royalties to musicians.

Very badly, most artists get about a pound from the sale of a CD, each Spotify play of a track gives the LABEL something like £0.0012 per stream (0.12 pence), so for a ten track album it would need more than 83 listens for the label to earn £1. The artist's cut of that is much smaller, roughly 1/5th, although a songwriter would get a bit more.

Unless the business model changes drastically or it becomes the de facto way to listen to music worldwide (and it has a LONG way to go before that happens) it's not something they're going to be able to rely on. Adele's sales for 21 for the 3 months of this year are around 1.5m units, which, if they were Spotify streams would net the label about £18000, which would net her less than £4k. Obviously that doesn't take into account repeat listens.

Anyway, Spotify isn't the reason CD sales are falling, it's downloads, legal or otherwise, which are generally a bit more reasonably priced (I think HMVs standard charge is £7.99 for an album).

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If there's less cost involved in producing the music we listen to , maybe the bands would actually get more revenue from there music.

Only if they're self-publishing.

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survivor wrote:
I`m pretty sure there were more turntables sold in the UK last year than cd players.

Wouldn't have thought that to be true

It is you know: http://www.whathifi.com/blog/2010-tv-hi-fi-and-av-sales-figures-revealed

UK CD sales: 36,600

UK TT sales: 74,400.

The CD player market is still worth more because the average price of CD player being sold is 3 times that of the average TT but in raw numbers yes a lot more TTs are being sold at the moment.

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Anyway, Spotify isn't the reason CD sales are falling, it's downloads, legal or otherwise, which are generally a bit more reasonably priced (I think HMVs standard charge is £7.99 for an album).

beg to differ, i used to buy 3-4 cd's a week

now i use spotify to listen.

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The_Lhc wrote:

Anyway, Spotify isn't the reason CD sales are falling, it's downloads, legal or otherwise, which are generally a bit more reasonably priced (I think HMVs standard charge is £7.99 for an album).

beg to differ, i used to buy 3-4 cd's a week

now i use spotify to listen.

My apologies, I didn't realise you were responsible for the entire CD market...

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glenfc63 wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

Anyway, Spotify isn't the reason CD sales are falling, it's downloads, legal or otherwise, which are generally a bit more reasonably priced (I think HMVs standard charge is £7.99 for an album).

beg to differ, i used to buy 3-4 cd's a week

now i use spotify to listen.

 

I'm a bit torn on this one. I have Spotify Premium but, say I have it two years then cancel it (or they go bankrupt which isn't too unlikely given last year's loss), then I'll be dead annoyed I don't have the CDs to show for the money I'd have spent...

 

 

 

 

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I also use Spotify but there are many bands that I want to listen to who aren't on it. So I have to buy those cds - which incidentally sound better than my streamed music. So in future I'll be listening to both.

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Is a stream a single play of a song? If so, they wont always know as Spotify can be used offline....?

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My apologies, I didn't realise you were responsible for the entire CD market...

i'm not 

there are 1 million  spotify users at the moment, when it's launched in the usa there will be more.

if a fraction of them choose not to buy cd's and just stream thats a lot of cd' sales lost.

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Is a stream a single play of a song? If so, they wont always know as Spotify can be used offline....?

not sure but i off line sync all of my playlists .

use in the car and through headphones on the move.

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The_Lhc wrote:

My apologies, I didn't realise you were responsible for the entire CD market...

i'm not

So why are you applying your usage habits to the entire market then?  

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there are 1 million  spotify users at the moment,

That isn't very many you know, compared to the global CD buyer market.

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when it's launched in the usa there will be more.

if a fraction of them choose not to buy cd's and just stream thats a lot of cd' sales lost.

It's still nothing compared to the number of people who are downloading music rather than buying CDs. Spotify has a LONG way to go before it makes that kind of impact.

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I'm a bit torn on this one. I have Spotify Premium but, say I have it two years then cancel it (or they go bankrupt which isn't too unlikely given last year's loss)

AIUI it's not in the business plan to turn a profit for another couple of years. Most start-ups don't make instant profits.

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