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They picked on Currys, coz Currys were particulary bad at trying to force these cables onto people !

I went in to purchase a 3d tv, only to be told catagorically that I MUST have one of these £70 HDMI cables or my tv wouldnt work (with 3d) when i got home, I was sure this wasnt true & argued the case with him but the bloke stood there saying "Im a computer engineer - im telling you, you definately need one of these cables" - I didnt buy one in the end, but Im sure this must of worked with plenty of less clued up customers.  I wrote to complain but Currys just laughed me off, so I contacted Watchdog about it ! Glad they did a report on it :clap:   

 

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At least Currys sell cheap HDMI cables too, so you have a choice, other shops they don't give you that!

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BigBadNige wrote:

They picked on Currys, coz Currys were particulary bad at trying to force these cables onto people !

I went in to purchase a 3d tv, only to be told catagorically that I MUST have one of these £70 HDMI cables or my tv wouldnt work (with 3d) when i got home, I was sure this wasnt true & argued the case with him but the bloke stood there saying "Im a computer engineer - im telling you, you definately need one of these cables" - I didnt buy one in the end, but Im sure this must of worked with plenty of less clued up customers.  I wrote to complain but Currys just laughed me off, so I contacted Watchdog about it ! Glad they did a report on it :clap:   

 

Sevenoaks do it, John Lewis sell them too.  Other independent home cinema shops too.  Magazines too.

As already mentioned, Currys are by far the biggest. According to my quick internet search there are 368 Currys, 45 John Lewis and 26 Sevenoaks.

I would bet that the majority of Watchdog viewers have never heard of Sevenoaks - apart from the town. It would be insane for watchdog not to have Currys as their main target based on those figures - plus they have a justifiably awful reputation.

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I think you will find that WhatHiFi are guilty of pushing the notion that cables make a difference

 

 

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People are easily conned into this as the general public are still in the analogue mindset in terms of cables. For analogue, you do get a difference in quality with the way the cable is twisted and constructed, however with HDMI, it's digital. The signal is either there or it isn't. Simple. In terms of picture quality, the only thing you should be concerned about is standards. HDMI 2.0 and 1.4 offer greater bandwidth over HDMI 1.3 which means you can fit more data down the cable thus increasing colour space and offers other advantages too.

Like someone else in the thread, I had the Ibra gold HDMI cables bought from Amazon, but had them replaced for the Fisual Hollywood Ultimate sereies (link here) simply because the Fisual cables are better built and lighter which makes them slot nicely into the back of my AV reciever; unlike the Ibra cables which sagged down potentially damaging the internal board.

On the topic of expensive cables, it does make me wonder whether anyone has actually genuinely bought cables like the Audioquest Diamond HDMI cable (link here) or the Carbon Fibre HDMI cable provided by Wireworld (link here). I mean, I'm a sucker for Carbon Fibre (I own CF spectacles and a CF pen) but that's just a little on the extreme side.

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Some really funny reviews on that Audioquest Diamond HDMI page! :grin:

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Hahaha yeah they're pretty funny, atleast there's people with a great sense of humour in the world! xD While unrelated to the thread topic, there's similar reviews on the Audioquest K2 speaker cable (link here) for anyone looking for a laugh.

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I'm very curious I'd like to try the audioquest diamond cable for the night.

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Ro Tang Clan, did you find the Fisusl cables to be of significantly better quality? I only have two ibra cables at the moment and they're just for my amp and ps3 connections. So could do with some more hdmi cables for when I purchase a stand alone blu ray and ps4  Smile

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Ro-Tang Clan wrote:

People are easily conned into this as the general public are still in the analogue mindset in terms of cables. For analogue, you do get a difference in quality with the way the cable is twisted and constructed, however with HDMI, it's digital. The signal is either there or it isn't. Simple. In terms of picture quality, the only thing you should be concerned about is standards. HDMI 2.0 and 1.4 offer greater bandwidth over HDMI 1.3 which means you can fit more data down the cable thus increasing colour space and offers other advantages too.

Like someone else in the thread, I had the Ibra gold HDMI cables bought from Amazon, but had them replaced for the Fisual Hollywood Ultimate sereies (link here) simply because the Fisual cables are better built and lighter which makes them slot nicely into the back of my AV reciever; unlike the Ibra cables which sagged down potentially damaging the internal board.

On the topic of expensive cables, it does make me wonder whether anyone has actually genuinely bought cables like the Audioquest Diamond HDMI cable (link here) or the Carbon Fibre HDMI cable provided by Wireworld (link here). I mean, I'm a sucker for Carbon Fibre (I own CF spectacles and a CF pen) but that's just a little on the extreme side.

Fundamentally you have just said the better cables make a difference. I for one don't believe the digital signal is changed in any way just that with poor shielded cables (i.e. cheaper) the signal getts added to thus reducing the quility of the picture because you are looking at more than just the original signal which makes the blacks lighter and the picture sligtly fuzy.

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Fundamentally you have just said the better cables make a difference. I for one don't believe the digital signal is changed in any way just that with poor shielded cables (i.e. cheaper) the signal getts added to thus reducing the quility of the picture because you are looking at more than just the original signal which makes the blacks lighter and the picture sligtly fuzy.

That doesn't make any sense at all. The signal is digital, it does not have different paths for blacks etc. So how can the blacks get lighter? You can get picture loss blocks if the cable is faulty, similar to the picture on Sky TV when there's a storm or snow affecting the signal.

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That doesn't make any sense at all. The signal is digital, it does not have different paths for blacks etc. So how can the blacks get lighter? You can get picture loss blocks if the cable is faulty, similar to the picture on Sky TV when there's a storm or snow affecting the signal.

Hey BigBoss.

I'm not saying there are seperate paths for any part of the signal. The cable of course is only a short (relatively) link in the chain. Any electrical current surely will attrack outside interference if not shielded properly. So though the core signal doesn't change from any digital source other elements can get in on the back of the signal masking it's true quality. I don't mean anything like macro blocking as that would mean a corrupt signal i.e. as you say if there is a storm somewhere affecting a Sky broadcast.

Look at it this way once the signal what ever it is has passed through the cable, any other element the poorly shielded cable has absorbed will follow the signal through the rest of the system thus being your storm.

I know we've all argued about this many a time. I'm just saying I've removed excess cables from peoples set up like old scart leads and such that weren't actually connected any more and the picture has become more refined and the black have become darker.

Thiis is why in one such debate about cables I suggested people pile a load of cheap cables on the back of there set up and see if anything happens to the picture or sounds.

Much to my Wifes and my dissapointment I removed out Wii consol from our HT as the cables are poor quality and out TV/BD picture became clearer.

 

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Glacialpath wrote:

 So though the core signal doesn't change from any digital source other elements can get in on the back of the signal masking it's true quality

nope, digital signals don't work like that.  For example, remember back (if you are old enough) to using analogue modems.  Signals got converted from digital to analague, then sent through some of the crappest and long wiring known to man, then when received at the other end got converted back in to digital, and providing there was no loss of data, the data was exactly the same as what was sent.

 

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Look at it this way once the signal what ever it is has passed through the cable, any other element the poorly shielded cable has absorbed will follow the signal through the rest of the system thus being your storm.

 

again, see my example above.  It's still possible to extact a identical sigital signal even with interference...

 

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I know we've all argued about this many a time. I'm just saying I've removed excess cables from peoples set up like old scart leads and such that weren't actually connected any more and the picture has become more refined and the black have become darker.

Thiis is why in one such debate about cables I suggested people pile a load of cheap cables on the back of there set up and see if anything happens to the picture or sounds.

Much to my Wifes and my dissapointment I removed out Wii consol from our HT as the cables are poor quality and out TV/BD picture became clearer.

what you are describing there isn't a cable issue, it's an issue with the equipent not shielding properly or having proper seperation.

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Glacialpath wrote:

 So though the core signal doesn't change from any digital source other elements can get in on the back of the signal masking it's true quality

nope, digital signals don't work like that.  For example, remember back (if you are old enough) to using analogue modems.  Signals got converted from digital to analague, then sent through some of the crappest and long wiring known to man, then when received at the other end got converted back in to digital, and providing there was no loss of data, the data was exactly the same as what was sent.

You missunderstand my comment. What I mean is regardless of what conversions the signal goes through the original data is unchanged but poorly shielded cables have added to the signal meaning more info is heard or seen colouring up the original signal not changing it.

Also why would a signal be changed back to digital having been converted to analogue? Genuine question as the final portion of any set up is analugue to allow us to see or hear it is a format we understand?

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what you are describing there isn't a cable issue, it's an issue with the equipent not shielding properly or having proper seperation.

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So you are saying any interference into any system is through the system itself and not the cables?

 

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Oh, here we go again!

 

Cue the old "digital is digital" brigade. All CD players sound the same, All Blurays look and sound the same, all digital cables are the same. If that were the case jitter, error correction etc wouldn't exist (let alone the effects these factors have on neighbouring components).

 

Unless you have a tv/projector good enough to show the difference, and you have done a comparison yourself WITH DIFFERENT CABLES (NOT just rebadged/re-engineered chinese tat - i.e Monster, Chord Company, Belkin etc which are just that) and with a reference quality source, you cannot make a definitive statement.

 

The two HDMI "Tests" I have seen were the Gadget Show where they ran two different priced cables (which were both based on the same cheap conductors/geometry of a chinese supplier) where the price differential was due to "marketing positioning" and the bling factor. Feeding two screens from two cheap BD players.

The second was a BBC section (possibly Watchdog) where, again two differently priced but of equally dubious origins were used on two cheap BD players again. They stated that the test was ran at 1080P and that there was no percievable difference. Funny as the screens they were using were Fujitsu 58 Series Plasmas that are (exceptionally good) 720P panels! No mention of whether the sets were calibrated/setup.

 

Been an owner of the 50" set I know that it's AVM2 processor is amazingly powerful at tiding up signals when the NR reduction etc is turned on (I have ALL of these modes turned off).

 

Which then begs the question, how many owners of TVs out there are using sets where the panel quality is so poor that these "enhancement" features need to be turned on to get the best results!!? If they are set to on, whatever signal comes down the HDMI cable will be buggered beyond recognition anyway!

 

 

I DO TOTALLY AGREE WITH CURRYS BEING CHASTISED THOUGH!

 

Ask any (honest staff), and for years their HDMI cables have been classed as CODE 0 on their tills. This means that if a (suspected faulty) HDMI cable is returned for refund/replacement, it is DISPOSED OF. Even the "laughably" reference leads. The trade price between their entry level and these leads is barely more than 70%!

 

Bare that in mind when you "review" one of their cables at £9.99 and £149.99 SRP!!!

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