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Want surrounds ASAP but I'm in a predicament need help

So today I realized that I spent £1700 on a home cinema setup but movies just don't sound "that good" to me with current setup. Sure it's way better than a tv and sound bar but I want surrounds to complete the 5.0 (future 5.1) setup. Although I don't see how I can easily integrate some surrounds first of all I want little satellites and I can't really find any that are cheap I would like to spend £50 on a pair of satellites. They will need a keyhole slot or whatever so I can hang on the wall without a bracket but with my current room layout it will be such a pain to get them installed. I'll share a picture tomorrow to make it easier for you to see what I mean. I don't want cable running from front to back wall then up a wall looking all horrible that's why I was contemplating wireless but I've heard bad things and I don't even know where to find any. What should I do?

Setup: Samsung UE55JS8500, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Player, Dali Zensor 3, Dali Vokal Centre, Denon AVR-X2200W, Arendal Sub 1, Monitor Audio Radius 45 Samsung S7 Edge

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Think this'll be better

Think this'll be better answered by a dealer.

Look at my last reply on the 'Hi-Fi' section. This may give a few clues.

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I would spend money on a good

I would spend money on a good subwoofer first. Along with the centre speaker, a subwoofer is the most important component of a home cinema system. Any home cinema is incomplete without it. Your plan of tiny satellite surrounds will not achieve what you're looking for. Look at BK subs. Cheap and excellent.

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bigboss wrote:

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I would spend money on a good subwoofer first. Along with the centre speaker, a subwoofer is the most important component of a home cinema system. Any home cinema is incomplete without it. Your plan of tiny satellite surrounds will not achieve what you're looking for. Look at BK subs. Cheap and excellent.

already have centre was going to get either ikon sub mk2 or monolith and why won't satellites be any good? Just for special effects right not bass I thought

Setup: Samsung UE55JS8500, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Player, Dali Zensor 3, Dali Vokal Centre, Denon AVR-X2200W, Arendal Sub 1, Monitor Audio Radius 45 Samsung S7 Edge

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plastic penguin wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

Think this'll be better answered by a dealer.

Look at my last reply on the 'Hi-Fi' section. This may give a few clues.

Can't find the thread you are on About could you please link?

Setup: Samsung UE55JS8500, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Player, Dali Zensor 3, Dali Vokal Centre, Denon AVR-X2200W, Arendal Sub 1, Monitor Audio Radius 45 Samsung S7 Edge

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Want surrounds ASAP

Sound like you're on the verge of wasting £50.  Why would you spend £1700 on your system so far and then limit your budget to £50 for surround speakers?  This seems quite unbalanced and frankly that won't get you much, even second hand!

Ideally, the surround speakers ought to be using the same drivers as the fronts.  If you scrimp on the rears, then you might aswell not bother.  BB's point about the sub may then come into play.  Handing over the deep bass to the sub will liven up your front left and right speakers.

But more then anything, you might need to invest in some patience!  There's no point in scrabbling to buy something now if it's not right.  If it means waiting until funds allow, then wait.

I've discovered that with home cinema amps, that set-up can have a huge effect on the success of the overall sound, and that using "Pure Direct" isn't always the best option.  With my amp I find some movie soundtracks in my well-damped room can sound too warm and flabby; so I tend to use the "optimum" setting which tightens things up and adds a bit of sparkle that makes the sound much better to my ears.

It's worth taking the time to experiment and tweak the settings.  If you had a sub, experimenting with the crossover for example can change the sound considerably.

Can you be a little more specific about what equipment you have so far?  What in particular makes you less than impressed with the sound? If you give a bit more detail, other posters with similar equipment to you might be able to offer some advice.

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Leeps wrote:

Leeps wrote:

Sound like you're on the verge of wasting £50.  Why would you spend £1700 on your system so far and then limit your budget to £50 for surround speakers?  This seems quite unbalanced and frankly that won't get you much, even second hand!

Ideally, the surround speakers ought to be using the same drivers as the fronts.  If you scrimp on the rears, then you might aswell not bother.  BB's point about the sub may then come into play.  Handing over the deep bass to the sub will liven up your front left and right speakers.

But more then anything, you might need to invest in some patience!  There's no point in scrabbling to buy something now if it's not right.  If it means waiting until funds allow, then wait.

I've discovered that with home cinema amps, that set-up can have a huge effect on the success of the overall sound, and that using "Pure Direct" isn't always the best option.  With my amp I find some movie soundtracks in my well-damped room can sound too warm and flabby; so I tend to use the "optimum" setting which tightens things up and adds a bit of sparkle that makes the sound much better to my ears.

It's worth taking the time to experiment and tweak the settings.  If you had a sub, experimenting with the crossover for example can change the sound considerably.

Can you be a little more specific about what equipment you have so far?  What in particular makes you less than impressed with the sound? If you give a bit more detail, other posters with similar equipment to you might be able to offer some advice.

the only reason i would spend £50 is that i thought the surround speakers dont matter as much as fronts/centre/sub etc. i'm not going to get same drivers as the zensor 1s even are too big for the room as i want little satellites, although i guess you are right maybe in the future i will add surrounds that are more expensive and perform better..so the boston acoustics soundware xs (£100 per speaker pair) is not good enough compared to rest of system? 

equipment: dali zensor 3, vokal centre speaker, sony str-dn1040, sony bdps-5200, sony kdl46w905

unimpressed because mainly i guess i have a 3.0 setup and the surrounds and sub are also very exciting to have in a system because i think i'd love some surrounds for the special effects and the sub because i love bass and first time i demod a sub was the dali e-12f (not great) but even 2 minutes of it during man of steel made me smile from the first 5 seconds it was on! i knew from that second i had to get a good sub. but i cant get the good experience because i am still on the fence about the subwoofer. i want the monolith or the dali ikon sub mk2 the dali looks better would pair well with my dali speakers already sound and look wise and its on its own plinth but for £700 it seems like a ripoff compared to the mono which goes lower with more power for £250 less

Setup: Samsung UE55JS8500, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Player, Dali Zensor 3, Dali Vokal Centre, Denon AVR-X2200W, Arendal Sub 1, Monitor Audio Radius 45 Samsung S7 Edge

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Re: Wants Surrounds

Hi there. Me again. It is not massively important to have matching surrounds or expensive ones as I only have little JVC sattelites on my 7.1 set up. But Because you spent a fair bit on you AVR it would seem a waste to have cheep surrounds. I only us the JVC as I already have them and they are perfetly ballanced speakers from an old all in one system. When I can afford it I will be getting proper surrounds to match my fronts.

Check your original thread as I posted some links that might help you (you'll have to copy and paist them as they won't go live on the new WHF site yet.)

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Glacialpath wrote:

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Hi there. Me again. It is not massively important to have matching surrounds or expensive ones as I only have little JVC sattelites on my 7.1 set up. But Because you spent a fair bit on you AVR it would seem a waste to have cheep surrounds. I only us the JVC as I already have them and they are perfetly ballanced speakers from an old all in one system. When I can afford it I will be getting proper surrounds to match my fronts.

Check your original thread as I posted some links that might help you (you'll have to copy and paist them as they won't go live on the new WHF site yet.)

 

yeah seen it. i went into richer today demod ikon sub mk2 and some floorstanders and asked about satellites. he shown me some cambridge audio min11 and min21 and they looked good! small enough for my liking, decent sound quality and the min21 sounded amazing for such a small and (relatively cheap) speaker. i think i'll get the min11 as the pair will cost £100 and installation will cost £100 (to have cable hidden in trunking also) so £200 for a decent pair of surrounds seems worth it! although i didnt hear the 11's the 21's sounded good, much difference? as extra £100 for step up may not be worth it to my wallet

Setup: Samsung UE55JS8500, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Player, Dali Zensor 3, Dali Vokal Centre, Denon AVR-X2200W, Arendal Sub 1, Monitor Audio Radius 45 Samsung S7 Edge

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