The choice of amp should not rely on the eq software alone, some manual tweaking will always be required.
No amp has a perfect EQ programme to do it all for you.
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Quite so but personally I'd want something that was going to help in EQing the sub.
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haha, no you're absolutely right michael. I think what I meant was given a great sounding amp, a bit of eq:ing might close the gap to that preferred sound, whether it's warmth, brightness or something else that is desired.
@Mtenga, I'm glad to hear about the good design match with the BK
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Good Room EQ makes a massive difference.
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I don't deny good room EQ makes a difference, but it should not be used in a lazy way and just rely on the software to do all the work.
Some human interaction is still required.
Yes you need to try and put your LCR in the most suitable location and the rears too. My LCR are not in the best position as I have to have a stepped arrangement but ARC and the angled speaker baffle have all but eliminatedd any discrepancies. Ideally My L and R would be 8" lower but not doable.
Ideally the sub should be positioned properly but not always possible in a sitting room. I have one position for my sub and I have a drop off at 22hz..PBK and ARC have improved the subs response no end but either I move the sub or drop in a second one to even out the response.
Room treatments are not necessarily needed if you run top flight room EQ,but yes the usual apply ie a nice rug and some soft furnishings and some curtains will all help.
Hey guys! An update on my defect AW-12 subwoofer reported earlier.
My dealer just called after having had the unit for service for 2 weeks. Apparently they had to replace the entire amp-section inside as there was some form of unusual short circuit (?) that stopped the received signal from transmitting sound onward to the speaker cone. Hence, the old amp-section was powering up as normal but could not output any audio. That was the explanation I was given. Weird.
Due to the oddity of the defect the repair comes at no cost despite being outside warranty!
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NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
Hey again guys! No good news I'm afraid...
Those of you who read my earlier posts about the issues with one of my AW-12's are not gonna believe it. I picked up my repaired unit yesterday at my dealer (after having replaced the entire amp-section). I went home, plugged it in, set it to Auto turn-on, switched on the power. (the LED-light on the back turned red to indicate stand-by, just as it should be). Then I started playback of some music through my receiver and *BANG* - the back of the subwoofer made a loud unsettling noise and died on me before it even began to sing! Was expecting to see smoke from the back of the unit!
Just don't get it Never had this kind of trouble with other subwoofers throughout the years. Time to call the dealer again... Monitor Audio - what's up with your subwoofer amplifiers?! Might be the shop's fault during the repair, but I just don't know...? Either way, I'm unhappy, as anyone would be.
Sorry to hear this Ricky, keep us up to date with your progress.
Hey again guys! Enjoying the summer?
Just got word from my dealer that they will replace my defect AW-12 with a completely new unit! So looks like things will be alright after all. On another note I'd like to add that today I placed my order for NuForce AVP-18 processor and the NuForce MCH-300SEC7 high-end multichannel amplifier. I'm upgrading from my Denon receiver (2009 model) and returning to separates again for the first time in 12 years. This is bound to be a killer kombo, I'm hoping, taking the Apex speaker system to new heights. I'm expecting the amp in particular to delivery bomastic dynamics by the bucketfull, and the simplicity of the processor yet with it's advanced EQ will be interesting. The two demos I've had of this combo truly blew my socks off!
I'll make sure to post first impressions and then detailed findings within 2-3 weeks.
Without saying I told you so - i said it was the amp module that was acting up!! - Check earlier posts if you will.
Bad luck for it to go twice - obviously wasnt repaired properly, sounds like two wires touching inside or something similar.
Digital amps are far more sensitive and can go into protection much easier. Or bang in your case
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Yes, you were likely right! This unfortunate experience with the AW-12 really does suck. According to the distributor they have sold quite a number of Apex systems in my country for a few years now but my AW-12 was the first that reported an error. Twice, no less.
19th day of testing, agonizing and infiltrating the final shortlist has swung around to Pioneer lx86 and Yamaha 3020 (the latter 2k £ less); others discarded due to lack of taste, retailers or android/ios support. Never imagined joining the club to be this much effort
HA! Well, I'm sure it'll be worth the effort once you pick which one of those two that suits your personal taste and demands the most.
Well I've only gone and done it and purchased myself some Apex speakers in gloss black!
However, I've been use to having floorstanders for the front left and right and someone on here once mentioned I might find that I loose a bit of weight at the front if I only use A10's so I've gone for ........
Silver RX6 for the front left and right channels, Apex A40 Centre, Apex A10's for satellites in a 7.1 set up.
Should be delivered on Tuesday and I cannot wait to get these beauties set up!!
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