That's really bad luck Ricky Deg - hopefully MA will take pity on you and fix it for free too - two years is no doubt out of warranty but you expect far better from a quality range like the Apex. Good luck!
AV: Oppo 83 Bluray, Yamaha RX V3067 AV, Monitor Audio Apex 5.1, Vortexbox Appliance 2TB, Boxee Box, Apple TV, Panasonic 46" Plasma.
HiFi: Squeezebox Touch, Audiolab M-Dac, Musical Fidelity A3.2cr Power Amplifier, Monitor Audio GX 300
Other: Cowon Z2, Fiio E17 DAC, Audio Engine A5 Speakers, Denon AH-D2000, Denon AH-D5000
Hmm I was thinking of buying an AW-12 this week as well, and swapping out my PV1D so my system is all Apex, but Ricky you have just put me off!
Home Cinema: Pioneer Kuro KRP-500A, Sky+HD 2TB, Oppo BDP-95EU,
Pioneer SC-LX83, Monitor Audio Apex, B&W PV1D.
Headphones: B&W P7, Bose QC3.
Gaming: PS3 Slim 320GB.
Misc: Apple TV3, Arcam rCube, Kef Picoforte 3, Iphone 4S 64GB, iPad Air
Thanks for the respons guys! I am certain my dealer together with the Monitor Audio distributor in my country will fix this even though the warranty period have passed.
Whatever the fault is with the unit I hope no other owner will have the same issue. But seeing as the electronics in powered subwoofers are not unheard of failing it probably will. The thing I find so weird is the AW-12 still acknowledges receiving a signal by turning itself on (hence the auto turn-on function with green LED on the back) so it's not all dead, but there's just no sound...
I'll report back
Current A/V equipment:
NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
sounds like amplifier module problem to me
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Optimised Audio PC - J River / JPlay / Custom Full Linear Power Supply
Panasonic 65VT65, Marantz UD7007, HIFi Racks Podium Reference
Monitor Audio GX100, GXC150, GXFX, BK XLS400 (set with hard knee house curve)
JCAT USB and Sata, Graham Slee Spatia (SC) Graham Slee Lautus Digital / Analogue IC x 9
There are more out there same age or older and still working fine.
i would not let one breakdown put you off.
AV System - Panasonic 42VT30 ¦ MA Apex 5.1- 4xA10 1xA40+ AW-12 Sub ¦ Van Damme UP LCOFC Speaker Cable ¦ Pioneer SC-LX85 ¦ OPPO 95 ¦ Mark Grant G1500HD Precision audio cable ¦ Sky+ HD(1TB) ¦ Chord Active HDMI ¦ Furutech Mains Cables ¦ Belkin PF50 mains conditioner.
Bedroom - Sony KDL-40W2000 + Archos 7 streaming from Windows Home Server 2011, Altec Lansing inAir 5000.
Dining Room - Sonos S5.
Music - HP Proliant Server running WHS 2011 ¦ streaming FLAC to Sonos ZP90 and OPPO 95 via SC-LX85.
Hi Fi - Cyrus 8 XPd QX amp ¦ Cyrus PSX-R power supply acting as Pre Amp ¦ Quad 909 Power Amp ¦ Speakers - Spendor A3 ¦ Logitech Squeezebox Touch upgrade by Fidelity Audio ¦ power supply upgrade by Mains Cables R Us ¦ Furutech Mains Cables ¦ Power Plant Premier mains regenerator.
Controlled by – iPad2 and Harmony 1100.
Could be! My dealer said today that some internal cable malfunction could also be the problem. I'll know soon enough!
Anyway, hope everyone is enjoying their summer so far!
It's not just the breakdown, I am slightly concerned I would be downgrading. Ideally I would be able to test each sub individually in my apartment so I can go with what sounds best to me, but I don't think that would be possible. The AW12 would be a better aesthetic match than the PV1D, but I would miss the onboard DSP of the PV1D. However I have read comments from people on here who have compared the AW12 to the PV1 and preferred the AW12, though the What Hi Fi review prefers the PV1/PV1D.
And besides the aesthetic part, why would you be interested to move to the AW12?
There are far better subs available at that kind of money, which I've repeatedly mentioned over here.
In my eyes the AW12 and even the PV1 are too expensive for the performance they offer (the PV1D might be something else, but still...).
I wouldn't be interested in the AW12 at RRP, but had the chance to buy one for around £550 as new. I'd then sell on my PV1D for around £800, and so free up some cash to spend on other bits and bobs!
I am a bit limited on space so couldn't consider something like a BK Monolith or an SVS sub, and the main reason for getting an AW12 apart from size and aesthetics would be for the integration between sub and sats. The PV1D isn't easy to set up and I always wonder if it would be better to have the dedicated sub for my system.
I'm inches away from rightfully being part of this owners thread. I'm looking to get 4 A10 satellites and an A40 center combined with a BK Electronic XLS200-FF sub.
1. Anyone by chance has an idea if the black Apex is somewhat similar in color to the BK black gloss sub or if the black non-gloss would be a better match?
2. Receiver, I'm trying to get away a bit cheaper than some of the recommendations I've seen in this thread. I'm primarily thinking of the similarly priced
a) Yamaha RX-A1020
b) Onkyo TX-NR818
Given the lower power consumption and heat dissipation from the Yamaha (and that it seems to "soon" offer spotify integration) it seems favourable to me. Any thoughts?
3. Room layout. Unfortunately the soffa cannot be aligned with the screen, see attached image.
a) Placing the two rear a10s on stands, the others on the not-completely aligned tv bench, as illustrated
b) Placing the two rear a10s on stands, left front a10 on the higher desk and the right on a stand
The former is more sleak looking. But will the height and offset difference (for half the sofa) be a big issue?
4. The two rear a10s will be close to the wall. Should they point straight towards the tv, soffa, or towards a center point in the room?
Monitor Audio Apex 5.0 | BK xls200 sub | Yamaha a3020
Hey Johan Glad we can soon welcome you to the club!
I can offer a little input on your last question in terms of room layout since your situation is slightly similar to mine, except that I thankfully can align my sofa with the screen ontop the a/v cabinet (view my system thread in my signature for pictures of the front and the back of my room). So my suggestion would be a) if you value a sleek look.
My front trio of speakers are placed directly ontop the a/v cabinet (which is 48 cm in height, compared to your 40 cm) and that still places them lower than ear height when seated which is not ideal. My rear pair of A10's are placed on the stands, on either side of and slightly behind the soffa. The height of these stands puts the A10's at ideal height. I find that this mix actually works well in my case regardless of the compromise. The rear pair can at times sound more 'directional' because they are placed higher up, but I have pointed mine towards the tv, not directly toward the listeningposition on the sofa. This provides a nice enveloping surround soundscape, without taking over completely. Because my room is rather small all speakers are placed fairly close to one another and there is no "gap" between the speakers as sounds pan between them, it's pretty smooth.
If you are going to use the provided table-top stands for the front pair of A10's then you can pivot them upwards slightly. I am not using this however, since I dislike their design and since there is none for the A40 it would look silly. But if you use any other form of solution try to make sure they tilt upward slightly. Because of their rounded corner shape that can be tricky though. I have placed small flat isolation feet directly under mine, but sadly they don't allow any tilt they just help with resonance. Still works well in my room though.
You'll simply have to experiment with your system in your room to achieve the best balance between front and back. You'll also need to experiment heavily with the automated room correction/EQ system in the receiver you choose (if you plan on using that). Make sure you re-run a new calibration with each change you make of the speakers and/or the room itself as it can sometimes have a dramatic effect on the end-result. However, this is impossible to predict and depends on the room.
Good to hear from you! So sorry about the sick AW12 i can imagine how you felt when it broke down. But im sure it will get rectified very soon.
I have to say the Apex continue to impress me with new Bluray releases, for some reason it seems to sound more and more awesome picking up every subtle sound within the soundtrack! Still happy with my setup. Watched the new Oz movie, which made the system rumble with punchy sound.
Monitor Audio Apex 7.2 (5.2 plus 2x height speakers), Denon AVR A-100 with Audyssey Multeq XT32, OPPO BDP-95 3D Bluray Player, Samsung 46" 3D LED 7 Series TV, PS3, Buffalo Wireless Network Bridge, LaCie Cinema Classic HD, Thompson Sky Box, Apple TV, Ellion Media Player, Logitech Harmony 1100 Universal Remote
Hey Gosahl Hope you're well and making the most of the summer! NOT by staying in watching too many blu-rays... hehe
Thank you for the concern about my subwoofer. It does suck! But keepings fingers crossed. If memory serves me correctly you had a defect A40, right? Or was that another one of our fellow members I'm confusing you with? If so, forgive me hehe. Anyway, I do not yet know the problem involved but I'll report back just for the sake of feedback.
Glad your Apex system is still kicking ass in your home cinema! It's awesome when a speakersystem can continue to impress long after the initial impressions have passed and you kinda settle with them. Mine does too, although I haven't watched much blu-ray at all lately, mostly listened to music and had a good time with that. I am about to upgrade my electronic-section soon, so stay tuned. Might go pre/pro to really push Apex to the limit, but don't know yet. Not descided about height channels yet either, it would depend on what electronics I choose. But I bet yours still bring lots of excitement to the table? Have you experienced any downsides in the height DSP-processing at all?
Hey Ricky, yeah i had a problem with the A40 a while back but i managed to get it replaced for free as it was under warranty.
Yes the apex still impresses me to this day, i mostly use it for movies and it still amazes me with something new. For the heights im sticking with Dolby Pllz. Ive fine tuned it to sound better through the Denon's Dolby Height settings. Audyssey DSX spreads the sound out too much from all channels and the center doesnt have any focus and clarity compared to Dolby height.
I watched Jack Reacher, the end scene with the rainfall sounded very realistic with the heights singing away but not over doing it or clouding the center channel. Also bass sounds better with Dolby heights.
Thanks for your thorough input RickyDeg! I'll aim for the sleek layout and have my ways with a few boxes to compare whether there's a significant difference or not altering the positioning. Good thing experimentation doesn't cost a dime
To the question that matters. I was inclined to try the Yamaha RX-A1020, though it turns out Yamaha RX-A820 has most of it's features in a size which fits my furniture.. and 5kg less deadweight.. Imagine that.
The RX-A820 is rated at 100w while the recommended Amplifier requirements are 50-200w according to Apex acciording to MA. Am I making a mistake getting a receiver at this class?!?
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