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AVR-4520 i think is very good receiver.I got avr-4311 at a very good price, i'm very happy with it
My dream DENON is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UNtKaiLcY , i want to buy it , and Focal Electra series system...Berylium tweeter is outstanding:) Still saving
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I currently have an Arcam AVR350 with Quad L-ites 5.1 and I'm looking to replace my front 3 speakers. As the speakers will need to be wall mounted, I'm considering the Apex. For now I will only be replacing the LCR speakers with perhaps the sub and sourrounds in the next year (so the Quad L-ite sub will have to do for now).
I can most probably afford 3 x A40's but I'm concerned that perhaps I cannot fit all 3 and may have to buy a pair of A10's instead for left and right. See the below image.
I'm planning to mount my screen above a radiator and is it is 194cm (76.5") wide. Unfortunately it is the only wall in the room where the screen will fit. To the left of the screen is my 46" TV which is wall mounted. I sit 11" from the screen which means the left/right speakers should be around 9" apart optimally.
So my dilemma.
1) Buy 3 x A40's and mount them all horizontally under the screen with around a 5cm (2") cap between them. One issue: with the speakers so close together, will that ruin the soundstage?
2) Buy 3 x A40's and mount the centre under the screen and the left/right speakers vertically high up so the top of the speakers are in line with the top of the screen. Two issues: a) Will sounds bounce off the back of the TV on the left hand side and b) with the speaker that high, how do I angle the two vertical speakers down slightly to point at the listening position.
3) Buy 3 x A40's and mount them all horizontally with the left/right above the screen and the centre below it.
4) Buy 2 x A10's as left/rights and do either 1) or 2) above.
One other question..... how will the Apex speakers react to being mounted above a radiator and have warm air rising around it? I'm sure they must be designed to be used in hot countries where the air temperature would be warmer than anything coming off he radiators?
Appreciate any and all input!
How much are they Greedy they look a big step up from the Apex and if your married hope the wife will allow them I got no chance of anything that is that size or i'd have the B +w 802d tomorrow
Stigi> In my country each cost( amp or processor) about 5900 pounds its reference level(look at the construction of each), i dont know how much in UK.You also may buy Audyssey Pro kit with this combo..Dont worry about your wife in this aspect- you are man, you must be the boss, when talking about audio/video!!
Easily said than done my friend Women in this country over the last 30years have taken over lol anything us men do over here we try an not get caught or give the true price of what we had to pay But some are dam clever and do a bit of investigating an find the true price of what we paid for Audio/video equipment then where read the riot act
This made me laugh. I have to do this all the time, I supposedly paid £250 for a pair B&W 683's I once had, £400 for my CA 751, my marantz was £400, lol etc etc.
A definite divorce headed my way if she knew the true prices, lol.
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Hey sjeire thought I'd jump in here cause no one has yet to offer any input.
First, your room is a real challenge in terms of placement, which I can sympathize with. Second, my initial reaction in your particular case would be to go with example 1) > mounting all 3 A40's horizontally directly under the screen. That may provide a neater looking arrangement. But yes, the soundstage might be compromised somewhat. I say might, because every room and the acoustics within it are different from the next (as are our expectations of the result). Given how fairly well Apex disperse the sound you might end up not experiencing an issue at all. In fact, if I had 3 A40's in the front that's probably how I would place them myself. This comes down to personal preference, but I believe the benifit of putting all three front speakers aligned on an equal plane with eachother in close proximity to the screen makes panning effects/dialogue appear more unified and seamless. Placing them at different levels and/or very wide apart often "break" that illusion.
However, traditional 2-channel stereo through front L/R speakers placed close together may prove less than ideal. But I see no way around a compromise. You could still enjoy the result.
In terms of your other concern about the radiator I dare say nothing
Let us know how you get on & good luck whatever you decide to do!
Current A/V equipment:
NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
Stigi> i know, about what your talking..There is confrontation below me and my wife, because i want to get 50inch Panasonic plasma, she thinks its to big..She hates my Playstation 3, because i like gaming.. Likes only Apex with my AVR-4311 because they sounds good..First time, when saw Apex set, she dont like aw-12..Now its ok..Goddamn pus*yy riot
Atkins> for my wife, i say something like you, when talking about price.I think she cant detect this tv is panasonic 50st50 or 50vt50
Ricky> can i ask you, what is the distance from your tv to your main sitting position?i'm asking, because want to buy new 50inch plasma tv..
Just read your post and it had me in stitches as me and my wife are having exactly the same debate (argument) about the TV. I think a 50” plasma will fit but she doesn’t.
Hey greedy - my sofa is about 2.3 meters from the 52" Samsung LCD-screen. It's pretty close because of my fairly small room, but it feels really great (only view HD-material so the resolution is teriffic). Actually, I wanna go a few inches larger for my next screen; 55" (possibly the Panasonic TX-P55VT50... although personally I've yet to be very impressed with plasma).
BTW, today I returned the Onkyo TX-NR5010 to my dealer after test-driving it with Apex for about 3 weeks. Just like the previous model TX-NR5009 it was stellar with movie soundtracks but didn't work for me with music.
Chritsmas Jones>why your wife dont like 50" tv?My wife worries about that can be uncomfortable to view such large tv from 2.7m distance.Only that..what about yours?
RickyDeg>Thank you for your reply.Do you have plans to test avr-4520?I'm very happy with my Denon and Apex.I will buy Audyssey Pro kit and recalibrate Avr-4311.But i have a dream to buy Focal Electra Be in the future, i fall in love with that Berylium tweeter..
No such plans at the moment, greedy, but it is interesting! Thought I'd wait until you've tested yours with Audyssey Pro first, hehe. Will be great to hear your feedback on that one! I'm confident it's gonna squeeze even more performance out of the Apex. Will you do the Pro calibration yourself or will you get a dealer/installer professional to do it for you?
Oh yes, those Berylium tweeters by Focal are rather addictive, right?! But also costly! I have actually been keen to listen to KEF's new R-sereis myself (though I still love Apex of course). The design is minimalistic and sleek. They are said to have a very threedimentional sound.
Ricky> I will do Audyssey Pro calibration myself, because its simple.Only you need a laptop, all other parts are in the kit.I'm thinking to get Panasonic plasma first of all, then i'll buy Audyssey Pro kit.Focal Electra Be is expensive for me, too.But anyway, i'll buy it in the future.My friend from Lithuania hdtv forum owns Focal Electra 1008 Be with Denon AVR-4311.He is extremally happy I dream to get 5.1 full set of Electras, with 1028 fronts, maybe only sub not Focal, but Velodyne DD series..And Panasonic 65 inch plasma.Then will need to replaning my room and i already know, what i will use to AMp them
Well greedy, in such case that we switch speakers we won't be members of this club anymore hehe
All I know is Apex have made me realise what truly well-made sub/sat-systems are capable of. Yes, there are shortcomings aswell (what speaker does not have shortcomings?) but until I hear something substantially better around the same pricepoint Apex are my reference for this type of system. I perfectly understand your love for the Electra's, 10 years ago I owned the Focal Electra 926 floorstanding speaker and adored it. The new models are an improvement I'm sure.
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