The Apex Club

Stigi, yes i allready saw avr-4520 and i like design very much.Its different from older Denons.It also has better DAC, than Avr-4311.Also Denons has very good thing -Audyssey Dynamic Volume, you can read about this..I am very happy with my 4311:)

I think another good receiver is ONkyo txnr5010 or 5009:)But they runs quite hot, Denon runs only warm:)

Another thing about Denons and Onkyos with Audyssey vs Pioneers with MCACC..I had pioneer lx-83.If you want get good results with MCACC- its hard to get best sound for me, a lot of tweaking need to do, and got bad result.For user this calobration system is difficult.Must do a lot of manuall tweaking.

Audyssey- no problem at all..Just run it..and got reference sound...its only my opinion

bYep greedy ,Knows all about the Audyssey Dynamic Volume  very good I've had a Onkyo System so i know they get Hot  back  when Plasma's were the newest thing out  Won't go into how much that cost me lol let's just say the Lowe Tv was being sold in Harrods for £10k without rest of the Cinema system God I've lost a fortune in Hi/fi  But I love it Can't give it up its my passion 

While the feature 'Dynamic Volume' in Audyssey is nice (I only use it while watching TV, never with movies or music) I would hope greedy means 'Dynamic EQ' (?) - because that is an amazing feature of Audyssey that makes all the difference to me. Seems to be something that no other brand offers.

However, apart from personal taste I know lots of people get excellent results from Yamahas YPAO, Pioneers MCACC and Anthems ARC. It also depends on the speakers being used, their placement and the room itself. I have tried all three of those systems with an open mind yet never been convinced by any of them. Not the same way I have been with Audyssey. 

I also feel that with Apex (because it is a transparent type of speaker) small differences in settings/filters/EQ's are easily apparent. Apart from that it needs to be said that while a calibration system can do a lot of good a well-balanced and acoustically corrected room is always a superior solution! I've experienced a few of those at demos and friends places and you'd be amazed at how fantastic a treated room can make the audio shine (without any EQ!). But in most normal living rooms (my own included) that is difficult to achieve. 

I will agree with greedy though that if you pick a Pioneer and don't get along with MCACC off the bat - be prepared to do alot of EQ-tweaking and adjustments to tailor it to your particular taste (something I don't have any knowledge of myself so I avoided that while testing them).

Guys if you are serious about room EQ then your only real viable options IMHO are Audyssey XT32 or Anthems ARC. Both of these will easily outperform anything else on the market unless you start looking at Dirac or Trinnov which are on processors costing £15k and up. 

Anthems ARC used in conjunction with Paradigms Perfect Bass Kit have transformed my listening experience. XT32 is similar though not as user adjustable unless you add pro. They will both give fantastic results. 

The new Denon does indeed look excellent and I would take that over the Pioneer just for the XT32. 

Contacted dealer I'm testing the new Denon 4520 with the Denon DBT-3313UD Maybe finally nearly there to hand over the Wonga lol  trying see if they can also get in and hook up a oppo 105 just to compare the sound will let you know what I think and what they say guys 

RickyDeg> yes, correct, i mean Dynamic EQ( sorry).Dynamic volume i always turned off( personal preference).

Stigi> good news, waiting for your comments about testing.Why do you have lcd tv?Is it superior for you?I mean you had plasma some years ago.

I saw Panasonic viera plasma tx-p50vt50, this tv blow away all led tv and all plasmas that i ever seen.

Hi Greedy 

Reason I got rid of Plasma,Because it was a nightmare let me tell you Great looking TV at time state of the art and cost a fortune was one of the 1st Genaration Plasma's had a Separate unit for all the tuner/electric's connected by a lead and could be placed away from screen say in a cupboard  this went wrong and was changed 4 times the plasma TV which was not light let me tell you  had to be sent back to Germany Lowe Factory 3 times all in flight cases etc and left without a tv to watch lucky I had spare Tv's but not the same when used to a Lrg Plasma .I will stay away from Plasma tv's now won't touch them but technology moves on so I'm sure Plasma has too .Have you seen the new oled Tv's coming soon they look Amazing and I won't spend £10k on a tv again either 

Can anyone tell me and I'm sure one you fine pips will be able with all your knoledge  Can the Apex be used in a Bi Amp set up ? To get the most out of the front Speakers To do this front speakers need to be Biwireable ? Hmmmmmm This is how it reads 

Bi-Amping allows you to use any spare amps you have on your A/V Amplifier to get the most out of your front speakers. To do this your front speakers need to be biwireable (Have two sets of terminals marked HF and LF) and you need to run bi-wire cable. You also need to have two spare channels. So for example if your are using only 5.1 speakers you can use the other two channels for Bi-Amping

Hey stigi   I believe the answer is in the text you supplied  None of the Apex models have dual speakerwire terminal connections, hence you cannot bi-wire or bi-amp them. This is simple to see on any speaker; if there is only one set of terminal connections on the back or two sets.

Thanks Ricky was not certain thats all as have not got my speakers yet but clears this up 

Stigi, now i understand why you have lcd :)But at this time plasma i think is non problematic and we can buy it everywhere..I will buy Panasonic plasma

When you see the reviews of Tv's coming next year and in future it all looks amazing just have to wait till the price comes down and they iron out the faults not not and repeat ( NOT)  Shoot me if you here I have bought the latest which will be the most expensive Tv lol but looking at the new 3D with out glasses Hmmmm now ya talking lol 

That Toshiba without glasses...cool

Ohh Yeah   Ohh Yeah  now ya talking Porn ta me lol 

If you have 7.1 apex setup, you should try  "Avengers" and "Transformes Dark of The Moon" movies. 7.1 sound is awesome