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RE: Cheers Michael Really a no

Hi Stigi

 

Welcome to the Apex owners family thread. Hope you have fun with your system for many years to come Smile

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RE: Cheers Michael Really a no

Thanks Gosalh 

 

Feels I already know you as I have read all your threads over past nights trying deside on what is going to go best as a system with the apex's typing away

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Thanks Ricky for the info ,I will have a look have not totally handed cash over yet for the Lx 85 lol read and read and read up so much but as price has come down on the 85 is why it maybe a decission winner and read its good combo with the apex's all the audio staff I have talked to aswell say how good the Pioneer is some have said they have had trouble with a few Onkyo sound boards in past aswell on couple machines. So many to choose its a mine field lol . beauty, eh

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RE: .couple pic's set up so far

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Thanks Ricky for the info ,I will have a look have not totally handed cash over yet for the Lx 85 lol read and read and read up so much but as price has come down on the 85 is why it maybe a decission winner and read its good combo with the apex's all the audio staff I have talked to aswell say how good the Pioneer is some have said they have had trouble with a few Onkyo sound boards in past aswell on couple machines. So many to choose its a mine field lol . beauty, eh

No problem stigi excellent!

I agree, sometimes it may feel like a mine field Shock Just so you know (unless you didn't read it elsewhere in this thread) I've tested both the LX83 and LX85 with matching blu-ray players but didn't get along with the overall result of the receiver with Apex. Just my personal preference, and nothing more. After getting a Denon with Audyssey four years ago they've pretty much been my point of reference since. I much prefer Audyssey MultEQ with Dynamic EQ compared to what Pioneer's MCACC managed to do in my room.

I simply wanted to get across the slight increase of transparency and "air" to the audio that PQLS brought though, which is why I think hooking up a Pioneer blu-ray player isn't just clever marketing. Reducing jitter often bring on improvements, however subtle they may be. Some of the top models in the Onkyo (and Denon) have jitter reducing functions aswell though. My advice would definitely be to test a receiver at home! It's really the only way to know if it suits you. No amount of reviews or outside opinions can do that for you.

Best of luck with your purchase & installation! Thanks for the pictures!

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RE: .couple pic's set up so far

RickyDeg wrote:

Guys, I know you Pioneer owners above love Oppo (good machine!) and Cambridge (also good machine!) but I can't imagine why you don't opt for an appropriate Pioneer blu-ray player so you can utilize one of the finer aspects of your receiver - the jitterkiller PQLS, which can only be achieved with a suitable brand player. Apart from MCACC isn't that one of the reasons of owning an LX machine and something you'd wanna explore? If I were you I'd look more closely at those. 

The Pioneer Blu Ray players do not come anywhere near the OPPO, and I needed a universal machine.

 

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Yes Ricky  I have been reading all your threads on different Av receiver tests ,I was maybe thinking of onkyo new flagship Txnr5010 which does have Audyssey but then have to look at is it way to good for the speakers to really notice upgrading to a £3k receiver  Only reason I'm looking at Lx85 was price the so called (Experts ?) Audio store staff lol its hard to listen to them as sometimes you can here the salesman in them more than when you just want a true answer lol I understand a £2k receiver is going to be better in everyway than a £1k so spending couple hundred more and getting a much better receiver what looks a bargain with the apex's going up to top end pioneer's new flagship 86 or onkyo'5010 would I really notice that much Hmmmmmm. As you say testing is the only true way In the past I had a Onkyo set up with at time best 1st Plasma Lowe Tv £10 k which was a nightmare went wrong every few months Lowe tech was sent out to me and Tv was sent back to Germany so I know expensive is not always Guarantee to Bliss /Heaven  rolling on the floor laughing lol 

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RE: .couple pic's set up so far

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Yes Ricky  I have been reading all your threads on different Av receiver tests ,I was maybe thinking of onkyo new flagship Txnr5010 which does have Audyssey but then have to look at is it way to good for the speakers to really notice upgrading to a £3k receiver  Only reason I'm looking at Lx85 was price the so called (Experts ?) Audio store staff lol its hard to listen to them as sometimes you can here the salesman in them more than when you just want a true answer lol I understand a £2k receiver is going to be better in everyway than a £1k so spending couple hundred more and getting a much better receiver what looks a bargain with the apex's going up to top end pioneer's new flagship 86 or onkyo'5010 would I really notice that much Hmmmmmm. As you say testing is the only true way In the past I had a Onkyo set up with at time best 1st Plasma Lowe Tv £10 k which was a nightmare went wrong every few months Lowe tech was sent out to me and Tv was sent back to Germany so I know expensive is not always Guarantee to Bliss /Heaven  rolling on the floor laughing lol 

Why would a 3K receiver be "too good" for these speakers?

It's true though, we do pay a premium cost for features and licensing fees in these machines (and the Onkyo as alot of them), so it's all relative. I'm actually getting the Onkyo TX-NR5010 soon to test at home for a few weeks (will post personal review here as before). I also had the 5009 hooked up to my Apex a few months ago and was stunned by the reproduction of movie soundtracks. It was severely different compared to what I heard a month earlier with the LX85. I wasn't completely convinced with music though which is why I decided not to keep it.  Some people I trust have claimed that the new model is more musical, so I'm gonna give it a shot. I'll say this: Pioneer and Onkyo go about doing things in a very different manner, IMO, mostly due to the differences between MCACC and Audyssey, but naturally also due to the different amplification and so on. Whichever character of sound and calibration technique appeals to you is anybodys guess hehe.

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No Apex speakers are fine with £3k receivers I'm sure what I was trying to say where do you stop ? lol trying to pair a system like your doing with the apex's Example you get the Onkyo 5010 to test blows you away next even though the apex's are amazing you here that the 5010 has been tested with say B&w Diamonds and its a step up again(HUGE STEP) lol

 I understand the receiver is the heart of any system and the sound is only going be as good as the receiver is for the apex's to get the best out of them i'm too likeing the look of the new Denon AVR-4520 with matching DBT-3313 blu ray So wanna get it now though and just when you think desided Yeepeeeeeee party time! Another option pops into it ,you narrow it down to maybe 2-3 receivers then you read about another . lol  beauty, eh  

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RE: .couple pic's set up so far

Well, the better gear you got driving Apex the more they'll give in performance output. They are transparent enough to show off improvements. I've heard them in demos with separate processors and amplifers costing many times more than that top model Onkyo. I have actually been interested in testing the up-coming Marantz AV8801 processor with NuForce MCH-300SEC7 amplifier, both of which might be considered "overkill", but to each his own.

That Denon duo you mention is very interesting aswell  Shock

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The Apex are great with  higher end equipment. I power mine with an Anthem Statement A5 power amp and use a Paradigm Studio Sub15 for the low stuff. The Apex shine in my set up. They sound stunning. They probably do hold the system back but to get an improvement I reckon I would need to invest about £3.5k in speakers to make it worthwhile. Hhhhmmmm MK 950THX x 5,watch this space people. 

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RE: .couple pic's set up so far

Ricky I came across this it may interest you if you not seen it  hello or goodbye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dy7GkzwaFc

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Hey stigi  hello or goodbye Nice one!

I've kept my eye on that player too! The fact that it's a pure transport without all the analog stuff I never use is appealing. Would be nice with a universal player where every effort has been made on the digital side of things. But only if I end up with the matching AVR-4520 of course. The new Denon Link HD for jitterfree transfer is also highly interesting (possibly the equivalent of Pioneer PQLS?).

If you are curious about this particular Denon duo perhaps you've seen the reviews on areadvd.de? Check out AVR-4520 and DBT-3313. There is one of the Onkyo TX-5010 aswell that also includes a short comparison with the Denon machine (all in German so you may/may not need a translator).

Then again, as I said before, reviews are one thing, our own experience can be another  Wink

BTW, looking at your photos my spontaneous thought is Apex in WHITE  Tongue

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pray Cheers ricky will take a look,Yep the whites for L + R fronts Black for Centre Have this sorted pray not changing (hopes)  now I just got to decide on the receiver and Blu- ray the Lx-85 combo because of price  but we all know price's come down because Technology moves stores want to shift old stock etc ,with new Models to tempt us with but you pay premium for getting lattest newest models, but I'd pay the premium if I know its better and makes a difference, Example Denon 4520 just over £2k Pioneer Lx-85 £1200 at moment £1k jump maybe dealer will move a bit when I buy the whole lot 5.2 apex's receiver and Blu-ray talking what £5-7k with wiring Then there's the Onkyo 5010 £3k a £1k jump up yet again lol  which is supposed to be amazing to throw in the decisions,you could sit and ponder for ever but I do take on board what people say it does help with the choice and rule out some and make you look at something you have not concidered,thanks to all with there inputs  good job  really helps 

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StiGi, i advice you to buy Denon avr-4520 .I had Pioneer lX-83, sold it and got avr-4311, which is super outstanding for me.This is briliant maschine with Audyssey MultEQXT32.Remember, when you buying a receiver, you buiyng room calibration system first of all.I think room eq system is the main thing in receiver.Multeqxt32 i think is the best calibration system in nowadays( except very expensive  high-end eq systems).And you can go to more advanced level - buy Audyssey Pro set..I congratulate everybody with APex thread rivaval!Lets play AC/DC "Highway to hell" at -0db... rockin out

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Wink Hi Greedy thanks for your advice always welcome,Yes the more I read  I'm likeing the Denon 4520 not a lot reveiws or info on it yet but what I've read I like.

As you know as models bring new technology into receivers and move forward these machines loose money fast you can buy like the Pioneer a £2k receiver and now its £1200 I have thought and thought talked to friends and others Some say its better to buy a High end Pre-amp as ric71 seems to have done in thread further up page  your going keep this and then change the blu-ray only to get the latest technology as time moves on its just another option to weigh up but I still really like the looks of the 4520 visually with the matching Blu-ray player for connection jitter free playing. beauty, eh Take a Look at this if you have not seen it yet 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtDsQk2soc  woohoo! looks Dam Good !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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