ric71, I'm hungry for more details on your experience with the added A5 amp. Do the Apex sound even "bigger" now? Have your soundstage grown any in depth, width etc? And how are you finding improvements in musicality thanks to the added smoothness you mentioned?
I hope to audition Apex with an Integra DHC-80.3 processor and NuForce MCH-300SEC7 multichannel amplifier as soon as my dealer hooks it up in the demoroom. Stellar stuff, I'm thinking!
Current A/V equipment:
NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
Since adding the A5 the Apex have opened up,the detail is unnerving at times and by that I mean with both movies and music I have had to mute the volume and check it wasn't a knock at my front door or my cat jumping up at something. The realism is incredible. I can turn the volume up to seriously high volumes but all remains composed. I am very very impressed with the Apex. To improve on this I would have to spend some serious cash which I don't have. When I purchased the A5 from my Anthem dealer, the home cinema centre, I was asked which speakers I was using,they laughed at how brilliant it was that I was bolting on an A5 with the Apex as they know the Apex would sound awesome and not many people would do this. Music is brilliant, its the detail and airiness and i have to admit the bass is nuts with the Sub15. It shows that the Apex can be paired with top quality amplification.
Ps posted from my iPhone5 damn it's fast!!!
Anthem MRX 510(used as processor),Anthem Statement A5 power amp,MK MP150MKII's LCR,MK S150T surrounds,Paradigm Signature Sub1,Perfect Bass Kit,Sonos ZP90 ,Qnap NAS,Oppo BDP 103 Multi region,Isol-8 Cleanline2 mains conditioner,SKY+HD,Audioquest Diamondback interconnects. ATV3,iPad4,Panasonic TXP50GT60
Oy, feedback on both the A5 and iPhone5!!! haha
Truly great hearing all that. It's promising to know how the performance of your Apex have elevated from that upgrade (which we kinda knew they would, right?). Those who say there is little difference between amps don't know what they are talking about (I still hear people who claim that). Will be fun to see what the NuForce top-of-the-line can do! Suppose to be a powerhouse of finesse!
I would just like to reiterate that IMO for their size etc I don't think there is anything on the market that can touch the Apex. I also talk so highly of them in a multi channel context only,not as a stand alone stereo pair. They need to be used with a good sub.
I am a strong believer in sat/sub systems for multi channel as opposed to full range speakers. IMO the next step up would be from the likes of Artcoustic,PMC wafer,Triad in walls etc. M&K S150's would not be subtle enough size wise in my room although awsome. So yes the Apex are not the last word in speakers but for their size and as a huge selling point their looks they are not just a style package but serious performers that are more than capable of being partnered with serious equipment.
Just my 2 cents worth as on a long night shift
Well put, ric71 Serious performers Apex are indeed. Besides, you are first-hand witness to their performance growth ability just with better amplification alone. It's always nice when speakers really reward you with each upgrade.
BTW, I been wanting to ask you - what sound mode do you utilize though your Anthem MRX for music? Unless I'm mistaken you use to own an Arcam receiver, right? And you used Pro Logic II Music sound mode? What do you prefer with the Anthem? When I tested the MRX 700 I didn't really care much for how music sounded over the Apex when using 5-channel stereo, for example. It came off as a little dull or lifeless to my ears. Plain 2.1 didn't feel as a viable choice either. Then again, I never got ARC to do the trick in my room so that might have been the reason.
I used to use Logic7 with my Lexicon DC2 and now with the Anthem as with the ARCAM I use Prologic2 music. I do not use 5 channel stereo or Anthem music. I have found that Prologic2 music works really well. It is much better in the Anthem than it was on the Arcam which I think is down to better processing. I also set the Panorama setting to on. I admit its not for everyone but IMO it works well. I have never felt that 2 channel,no matter how high end the system and good the room is sounds like "you are there". I have listened to music in multi channel for 15 years now so guess I'm set in my ways. I do miss Logic7 though. Just wish there was more material available in 5.1 etc.
i do believe the system has to be set up and calibrated properly for it to work well in multichannel,and this is where sat/subs come into importance along with decent equipment. It much easier if you just watch movies.
Come on gosahl, give us the scoop on your dual AW-12 installation!
Hi guys, I've had the Apex setup for a few weeks now and am still really impressed with them - so much so that I have now sold all my high-end 2 channel equipment and am just using the AV equipment for everything - music sounds amazing!
I was using Monitor Audio Studio 20se floorstanding speakers for music which are regarded as some of the best speakers ever made and were What Hifi's reference speakers for many years (thats' how good they were) and I am actually hearing more detail in these Apex speakers than the Studio 20's, which I wasn't expecting! It just goes to show how much speaker technology has improved over the years.
Here's a couple of pics of my setup, it's not an ideal room for 5.1 but I've tried to position the speakers as well as I could manage:
I think I need a new TV unit, one that can hide all the equipment as I think it looks a bit ugly at the moment, but I'm having trouble finding one that will house it all with suffifient space between each item so they don't overheat!
Monitor Audio Apex 5.1, Yamaha RX-V3067, Cyrus 7CDQ, Chord cables
Hey Chord_Freak it's real wonderful to hear this! And thank you for posting the pictures! It's cool that Apex manage to surpass those Monitor Audio Studio 20SE to your ears, and I suppose that says alot. Also, not many of us have that 'ideal' room for speakers but you just gotta make the best of what you got. I know for a fact that Apex manage to make the most of almost any room situation, even real tricky ones. We have their immense flexibility of installation to thank for that I suppose.
For the record I think your installation looks more than decent, plus I love that blue guitar haha! A suitable a/v cabinet could improve things for you though, surely. Have you looked at furniture by BDI? They make some great looking stuff and I've seen quite a few models that might fit perfectly in that space of yours (while offering adequate space and ventilation aswell).
Hi RickyDeg, thanks for the kind words and for the link. I've never heard of BDI and have had a quick look on their site - there's some really good-looking stuff on there but there aren't any prices. I'll have a more in-depth look into it when I've got the time
Just out of curiosity, what setting do you have your amp on when listening to music in 5.2? I've had a play with the 7 channel stereo setting and it sounds a bit strange, I prefer the 2.1 listening mode, but then one of my rear speakers is right next to my ear!
Well, 2.1 for pure stereo music is naturally the more 'correct' way to go. For me it's dull and not an option anymore so I do utilize a multi-stereo playback mode. On the Denon you can tailor each channel per soundmode so I have trimmed and tweaked quite excessively to get the balance just right. Unless I'm mistaken Yamaha should have an option to tweak the 7-channel stereo DSP mode (one that does not effect other settings). So perhaps play around with that.
Every receiver deals with multi-stereo playback mode differently, and some process it better than others. Out of all the ones I've heard the unit to handle it best was the Primare SPA22, by a long shot. Multi-stereo was simply breathtaking through Apex with that thing at the helm. Sadly it let me down on movie soundtrack reproduction, but that's a whole different deal.
Thanks RickyDeg, I'll have a look at the settings for 7 channel stereo and see what I can tweak. I had another look at the BDI link you gave me and I think they are a bit out of my price range unfortunately, the first one I looked at was £1,500 I was thinking of something for around £300 ish.
No problem Chord_Freak and yes, BDI furniture are expensive but great quality.
I know it's hard to choose, I looked for over a year before I found mine
Hey Ricky, sorry mate i've been off sick with a virus. Will post some pics and feedback soon. Its all setup but i havent had a proper play with the second AW12 Will do some research over the weekend.
Monitor Audio Apex 7.2 (5.2 plus 2x height speakers), Denon AVR A-100 with Audyssey Multeq XT32, OPPO BDP-95 3D Bluray Player, Samsung 46" 3D LED 7 Series TV, PS3, Buffalo Wireless Network Bridge, LaCie Cinema Classic HD, Thompson Sky Box, Apple TV, Ellion Media Player, Logitech Harmony 1100 Universal Remote
Hi all, could anyone tell me how tall the A10's are on their stands?
can't find any info online. Cheers.
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