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Got them about 2 months ago,

love them a lot, look very nice, sound even better!!!

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FrankHarveyHiFi:

gosalh:
I've used the Audyssey to do the initial setup and i've done my own manual tweaking. Should the center channel always be louder than the surrounds or the opposite? The Audyssey has set the center channel to be lower than the front left and right.


That'll be because the centre is more efficient - the A10's are 87dB and the A40 is 90dB - technically speaking, that's twice the volume, so I would expect Audyssey to set it lower, as long as their aren't any room issues affecting things.

But as mentioned, you can set the centre to suit your own taste.



I honestly meant to mention that also but it was so late when I posted, I forgot oops.
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Anyone, what size screws and plugs to wall mount the A10s?

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Gerrardasnails:
Anyone, what size screws and plugs to wall mount the A10s?

What is the hole size in the bracket?

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Gerrardasnails:
Anyone, what size screws and plugs to wall mount the A10s?



According to the manual a minimum of 40mm (1 3/4") long screws should be used,  the hole on the stand is 4mm dia so i would try a 4mm dia screw in the hole first and see if the head sits in the recess / counter sink in the stand.



Check plug sizes here .

DESCRIPTION SCREW RANGE (mm)  PLUG LENGTH (mm) HOLE  DIAMETER (mm)



RED          3.5 - 5.5
                  No. 6 - 12                                    35                                  6

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Hi Fi - Cyrus 8 XPd QX amp ¦ Cyrus PSX-R power supply acting as Pre Amp ¦ Quad 909 Power Amp ¦ Speakers - Spendor A3 ¦ Logitech Squeezebox Touch upgrade by Fidelity Audio ¦ power supply upgrade by Mains Cables R Us ¦ Power Plant Premier mains regenerator.

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hi shanej66,

The Apex eed about 500 hours before they finally settle down.

They get much smoother and any sibilance goes.

I have found them exceptional with music. What are you powering them with?

I feel that these are really a new bench mark in compact sub sat systems and that they are unique.

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ric71


Using a Sony STR-DA2400ES (if you click name you can see my bio. I've just not mastered including bio in my post)


My speakers/subwoofer are a bit over the top for the amp, but with the rate of change in the AV market with ever changing HDMI standards, DLNA evolution etc, I just can't bring myself to make a major investment in an amp.


 Sounds good to me though and thats what matters


 

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michael hoy:
Gerrardasnails:
Anyone, what size screws and plugs to wall mount the A10s?



According to the manual a minimum of 40mm (1 3/4") long screws should be used,  the hole on the stand is 4mm dia so i would try a 4mm dia screw in the hole first and see if the head sits in the recess / counter sink in the stand.



Check plug sizes here .

DESCRIPTION SCREW RANGE (mm)  PLUG LENGTH (mm) HOLE  DIAMETER (mm)



RED          3.5 - 5.5
                  No. 6 - 12                                    35                                  6



Thanks Michael
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shanej66,

Cool amp and i totally agree re receiver technology changing constantly.

The Apex are superb with music, i used to have big floor standers but I prefer the critical detail that the Apex give.

I would love to upgrade amp to an Arcam but funds will NEVER allowCrying

I demo-ed the Apex with the Arcam Avr600 and they were incredible!!!!

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ric71:

The Apex are superb with music.

I would love to upgrade amp to an Arcam but funds will NEVER allowCrying

I demo-ed the Apex with the Arcam Avr600 and they were incredible!!!!

I demoed the Apex with the 500 and your right the sound was incredible, my wife was with me at the time and she told me that the combo of Apex and Arcam was her favourite.

She wanted me to by the Arcam at the same time but I said no Crying I wanted to wait for the bugs to be ironed out of the 600. Purchased a Pioneer SC-LX72 instead and this sounds very impressive.

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Hi Fi - Cyrus 8 XPd QX amp ¦ Cyrus PSX-R power supply acting as Pre Amp ¦ Quad 909 Power Amp ¦ Speakers - Spendor A3 ¦ Logitech Squeezebox Touch upgrade by Fidelity Audio ¦ power supply upgrade by Mains Cables R Us ¦ Power Plant Premier mains regenerator.

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Folks,

Any thoughts on whether the speakers should be set to small or large within AV receiver setup.  Mine set it to large and I'm perfectly happy with it.

Anybody aware of Monitor Audio's recommendations or how What HiFi tested.

 

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shanej66:

Folks,

Any thoughts on whether the speakers should be set to small or large within AV receiver setup.  Mine set it to large and I'm perfectly happy with it.

Anybody aware of Monitor Audio's recommendations or how What HiFi tested.

 



As they are sats, they should ideally be set to small,although it really is up to your personal preference, but more importantly if they are set to large, make sure your cross over is not set too low, the A10 can go down to 60 Hz and the A40 50Hz anything lower could potentially damage the speaker.
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markjaspi:

shanej66:

Folks,

Any thoughts on whether the speakers should be set to small or large within AV receiver setup.  Mine set it to large and I'm perfectly happy with it.

Anybody aware of Monitor Audio's recommendations or how What HiFi tested.

 



As they are sats, they should ideally be set to small,although it really is up to your personal preference, but more importantly if they are set to large, make sure your cross over is not set too low, the A10 can go down to 60 Hz and the A40 50Hz anything lower could potentially damage the speaker.



They might be able to go that low but a good sub will do it better. I plan to set my crossover at 90Hz. I would also advise to set the speakers to small to allow your receiver to deal with the crossover. Even my floorstanders are set to small.
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Def set them to SMALL. I cross mine over at 80hz but experment to see what suits you best.Dont go below 80hz though.

They will play louder and cleaner set to small, crossed over at 80hz and above.This will also allow your amp to have more headroom!

As already stated let the sub handle the bass.Cool

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Depending on the sort of volume that needs to be achieved (higher crossover allows higher volumes), I'd set to about 80Hz for normal use, and anywhere between 100-150Hz for nearer reference level listening, and dependent on the size of the room.

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