My cousin uses mccac to set levels and distances. He then turns off all eq, full band phase and the other one.
He then set the sub distance using a DVD which plays ticks out your mains and sub- you adjust the distance on the sub until the clicks are in time.
that gets the sub phase correct which is vital!!
he has a behringer feedback destroyer - he measured his sub response using REW - then used REW to create filters to a hard knee house curve, these are entered into the behringer.
that coupled with the front L and R being put in the right location and some home made room acoustic treatment.
he pays attention to important aspects - cabling, mains etc - that results in an awesome sound, one that would blow 99% people away who don't have their systems setup properly
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I vividly remember your experiences Ricky and can now relate to them! Before I had the Apex's I wasn't sure what you were talking about. But the Apex's are such a revealing speaker. I first learnt about the Pioneers shortcomings when I had the ATCs running off it, so I KNOW it's not just the Apex's being too bright.
HiFi: Speakers - ATC SCM40, Power Amp - Rotel RB-1582, Pre-Amp/DAC - Audiolab M-DAC
AV: AVR - Pioneer SC-LX72, Sources - Sky HD/PS3/Popcorn Hour C-200, TV - Pioneer PDP-428xd, Speakers - B&W DM602 s3 + 600LCR s3 + B&W DM600 s3 + B&W ASW300 sub (soon to be replaced by Apex!)
Just come back from a day at my cousins who has an lX83 and apex. Setup good its an excellent combination and am i am very fussy.
But like everything you need to have it setup right and that takes a lot of knowledge, time and other tech such as bass management. If you heard this system you would be very surprised most people don't know what their doing and day the combo doesnt work - their very very very wrong
That it why I said previously, you need to tweak the MCACC settings.
This really is the same for all auto setup systems, they are a guide and not the ultimate configuration.
I promise you I have tweaked soooo much with it, mainly reducing the 4k and 8k frequncies, but I just can't get it sounding 'right'. Maybe my ears are just particularly susceptible to sibilence. However I am very interested in hearing the latest Pioneers, maybe they're better. Shame becuase I actually love the look of them and the functionality. I think they're hard to beat in those areas.
Turn Eq Off - Turn standing wave off, turn full band phase off.
Get your sub and speakers setup right and its off you go - if its not sounding good to you its not the amps fault - I sold my LX83 before I heard it sound its best, I have now heard it sound really fantastic
Scibilance is there to a certain degree - but its largely caused by noise generated from various sources and other things - and there are ways to reduce it - trying to reduce it with eqing is not the way and xcurve makes it worse.
Hello guys first post here. I've been thinking about buying an Apex setup for some time now. I'm thinking three A40s up front and two A10 for the back. No sub starting out that will come later. Problem is I have an older Yamaha RX-V1900 amp and I'm not sure if it will do the apex's justice. The specs have it at 125W per channel at 8ohms but I don't know if that's enough or if that's even what I can hope to get in real-life.
I used this amp for years with a Dali Suite 2.8 but those are 4ohms speakers. Same sensitivity though, 90dB. The A10, incidentely, is rated at 87dB sensitivity whereas the A40 is 90dB. I find this strange.
Hi guys, I am newbie here and I would appreciate some help. I'd like to get a couple of Apex A10's cause they fit to the easthetics of my space and they also are great performers from what I'm reading. I will mainly use them for music and at some point I might get a sub as well but that's it, I not intenting to build a 5.1 system. I will use them for movies as well but as I said this won't be their primary use. My question is about the receiver. I don't have enough budget and I'm looking for value for money solutions. Do you think a marantz NR-1504 will be enough to power them? I'm not going to listen at high volumes since I live in a flat, so my requirements are not that high. At my local store the sales guy told me that these are power hungry and that I need more watts to get them sound properly. Is that true? Would a Denon x-2000 be a better alternative since it has more power? If I stretch the budget to the SR-5007 would it make a difference given that I will listen stereo and at low/medium volumes. Thanks!
I have 3 x A40s and KEF T301 surrounds which I have been running off my trusty Yamaha RXV 2700 with great success!
The Yamaha will be fine, connect up, listen and enjoy...................................as and when you can upgrade, but really I wouldn't stress, these are fabulous sounding speakers.
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Good choice. Three A40's up front will be great. The Yamaha will work, but won't do Apex full justice, no. Not a problem though if in the future you plan on upgrading electronics the Apex will show you more what they are capable of. I have found that a really good power amp makes all the difference! It's not just about wattage though.
The bigger A40 have a higher sensitivity gain (90db) simply due to the different construction and added midrange driver. It will therefor play "louder" than the A10 at the same volume setting so it is important to adjust this in the receiver settings. In my case, the A40 center channel is set -4db lower than the A10's front/back in order to find proper balance. In your case your entire front of A40's will play louder than the A10's at the rear so make sure you find that balance.
Current A/V equipment:
NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
I've had my speakers for quite a while now and are very, very pleased with the performance watching movies. Music is really great too .. I tend to favour a heavier style of metal music, and if anything, I'd say the punch of the bass drum hitting you in the stomach isn't quite there yet (perhaps because it's not intended to be with a better quality speaker .. but still I miss it a little on occasion).
I have the sub crossover at 80hz, speakers at small and use my PC over HDM as source with a PCM signal. I'm thinking of playing around with different crossover profiles for different types of music to see if that alleviates my urges a bit
Monitor Audio Apex 5.0 | BK xls200 sub | Yamaha a3020
Yes, I have now upgraded to an Emotiva UMC 200 pre/pro and an XPA 5 power amp as separates to drive my Apex A40 LCRs and KEF T301 surrounds, distinct and definite upgrade in terms of soundstage, depth and detail.
It has taken me a couple or three weeks to get something like the best out of the combination, however I am just about there and delighted with the performance
An added bonus is the improved processing for LR and Surround effects, staggeringly good, heartily recommend a pre/power set up if you can.
Agreed. A proper pre/power combo will truly push the performance level of Apex. Glad you are happy with your Emotiva set. As great as an integrated solution can be they are simply no match for high quality separates. When I recently switched to a separates duo from NuForce (see my signature) I was yet again taken by what Apex were able to achieve in my relatively small room. Then again the poweramp alone cost twice that of the entire Apex sytem so it should perform. And it does! What impress the most every time I throw in a Blu-ray is the incredible transparency and gigantic size of the soundstage (still, only 5.2). The speakers 'disappear' and I'm totally hooked!
I'm not an APEX owner (yet), so sorry to invade
I am wondering though if anybody ever tried combining the Apex A40 with a set of silver RX6s. I love the look of the A40 and the RXC is just too big for our setup (so my gf told me). However, I also love the RX6s and just prefer floorstanders (plus I can get them for a very good price now).But will it sound good? It's the same brand, same technology... what do you think? Has anybody ever auditioned both speakers? Do they sound similar?
(and of course I know 5 identical speakers is the best and preferrably you shouldn't mix and match, but that's just not always possible )
One of the qualities of Apex speakers is their excellent versatility in that they integrate very well with other ranges of Monitor Audio speakers. I've successfully mixed A10's and A40's with Platinium, Gold GX, Shadow, Silver RX, Bronze BX, Gold GS and even the new Silver Series of speakers.
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I ordered today a pair in piano white and look forward to receive them! I'm still contemplating about the AVR though. Any suggestions anyone?
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