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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?
AlanNorak:Categorically the Denon will be much better.

Granted it is very long in the tooth (getting a laser to last that long is rare), and CD technology is very much better understood today, but it cannot get away from the fact that, regardless of whether you use a DAC with it or not, a cheap Bluray is a cheaply manufactured piece of mass produced components designed with a laser assembly that has a significantly different wavelength, optimised for the pit depth and pitch of Bluray discs. CD replay is a mere afterthought with it. A DAC cannot recover lost data that the machine has already interpolated before even leaving the machine.




Just keep you fingers crossed the DEnon last a few more years (keep it powered up at all times - it will keep it stable and avoid the stress of powering up and down)

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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?

Interesting discussion. I'm also looking for a good BR player that can also double up as a reasonable CD player.


Currently looking at Marantz UD5005 or OPPO BDP93. (Reasonable CD player = Marantz CD63SE range).


Advises ??


Thanks in advance.

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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?

Thanks guys for all your responses.  I am probably best to purchase a good value and quality BDP like the Sony 370 and keep running my Denon.  Once I get a BDP, I can compare the CD playback quality directly with the Denon.

I must say, the Denon's life span has surprised me!  Big Smile

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Hi,

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Hi,


I have read on a couple of forums that the sony s370 has a wolfson dac if so it would be a pretty good sounding unit. The arcams and cambridge use that branded dac.I had a look in my manual on the sony s370 and couldnt find that information - can anyone confirm that it has a wolfsan dac if so which model and how many dacs?


Cheers


Steve.

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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?

The 370 is a bottom-range model, and so seeing what brand DAC it has is futile. If CD replay is important spend a bit more on a Marantz or Denon or CA.


No mistake, the 370 sounds stunning in movies, but I find it merely adequate for CD duty.

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Why do u believe a cd player will sound different than a blu-ray for playing cds?

All the BD does is read the pcm from the disc and send it via HDMI to your receiver for processsing. As long as the tracking is accurate as the data is read off the disc I'd expect it to be fine.

 

 

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TechMad:

Why do u believe a cd player will sound different than a blu-ray for playing cds?

All the BD does is read the pcm from the disc and send it via HDMI to your receiver for processsing. As long as the tracking is accurate as the data is read off the disc I'd expect it to be fine.

 

 

Aah! You're forgetting a CD player doesn't work that way. It does the processing, not the receiver, so you could expect a difference in sound.

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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?

I think you already have the answer, try them alongside each other, if the Sony does the job as well as the cd player then you can sell on your Denon. My experience of CD players/DVD players and Bluray players suggest to me that you will probably keep both. I would love a single box that got the ultimate performance out of each format but I have yet to find one.

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I cant really comment on cd players - it must be 10 years since I had one (except in the car/computer).

I remember my old Technics having a digital out though I didnt have anything to connect it to.

 

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manicm:

No mistake, the 370 sounds stunning in movies, but I find it merely adequate for CD duty.



I should've aske dthis earlier, but in what way do you find it average manicm?

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manicm:

No mistake, the 370 sounds stunning in movies, but I find it merely adequate for CD duty.


I should've aske dthis earlier, but in what way do you find it average manicm?


Soundstage does not have much depth, sonic background is not entirely black or entirely clean. It sounds like a *cheapish* CD player, but I suppose it's not too bad considering cost. I'd never use it as my primary source though.


AND I DO have a decent cable - Chord Crimson.

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Re: Sound quality: old CD Player or use BluRay Player?

Odd that, I'm using it via the Sansui directly and via the Spitfire and both are fine.


Interesting what you mention about "not entirely black", which I'd disagree with (not for the sake of it I should add). I tried out The Division Bell album which has rather a lot of quiet passages, also several of Brian Eno's "Ambient" series from the late 70s. I'm not sure how much "black" you'd want to be honest as the "sonic background" was about as quiet as you could reasonably ask for!


The "cheapish" CD player bit still puzzles me. Soundstage is good. It all depends on your amp and speakers as well - obviously enough - but I find, the more I listen to it, your position surprising. It's patently beyond "cheap" sounding, patently. It might look like a cheapo player, but performance is way over and above what you're reporting.


Bass depth is good, there's a nice midrange, the treble's a bit keen but not sharp or ear piercing - it sits to the fore, but there's enough going on elsewhere in playback to counteract what it's doing. Put it with bright electronics across the board and it'll lose friends. Partner it well and it's a winner.


I'd dump the cable if I was you... Wink

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I'd dump the cable too, but am more than happy with the movie sound - don't want to upset this. Plus they look so damn cool.

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TBH I'm thinking flogging my Arcam and Sony and going for Marantz's Blu-ray all-in-one, if only I could be assured picture quality would be as good.


Come on WHF - what's taking you so long? You can't arm-wrestle Marantz?

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