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Although 3 hours for only the firtst 6 chapters seems a bit much the film actually passed quite quickly.

 

My main bugbear (as with LOR) is that whoever does the screenplay thinks he can improve on the classic story and change various bits of the storyline.

Theres a reason why JRR Tolkien is one of the worlds most revered authors and the bloke is charge of the screenplay is someone we've never heard of!

Good point. As someone who've never read any of the books I don't have conflicts on that issue, I just enjoy it exactly for what it is without any point of reference. But I fully understand the frustration because it is after all an adaption. Especially if they've changed things so much that it makes no sense. From a filmmakers point of view certain changes are probably looked upon as a necessity.

As someone who's read the books many, many times (LOTR was the first "serious" book I ever read, when I was 9, actually read it before The Hobbit!), I've never had any issues with the changes that were made to the LOTR films, in fact I was over the moon when I found out that Tom Bombadil had been excised from the films, I always hated that EDITED! The only bit I would have liked to have seen in FOTR was the Barrowight sequence, that might have been nice but I understand that without Tom it's impossible to save the Hobbits from that danger and of course the film was quite long enough as it is, especially in Extended form (which were the only versions I bought incidentally).

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I really hope Jackson continues beyond these three films, there are many books that delve deeper into the world that Toilken created.  Can you image The Silmarillion coming to life. 

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I really hope Jackson continues beyond these three films, there are many books that delve deeper into the world that Toilken created.  Can you image The Silmarillion coming to life. 

Got to admit I'm struggling to see how they could do The Silmarrilion, it'd be a bit like trying to film the bible and you're not exactly overflowing with sympathetic central characters for the public to identify with. I wouldn't mind seeing it but I'm not sure I'd want to *watch* it, if you see what I mean.

Anyway Jackson has said he's not against the idea (although he didn't mention the Silmarillion itself, he doesn't see any reason why they couldn't do "new" Middle-Earth stories in the same way that Star Wars has expanded beyond the original three films, which isn't entirely encouraging!) but says the Tolkien estate has said a firm "no" to any more films for the time being.

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Of course I see your point, I like the idea of it thats all.  I didn't know about the estate saying no for now.  That of course will change in time.  What about the The Children of Hurin, that was a good read Smile

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Apparently, Jackson's developing a  three-part, nine-hour-long version of JRRT's Smith of Wootton Major, which will be shot in 3D / 96fps*

* A download of a sepia 2D / 12fps version will be available from Linn, which will attract a 50% price premium compared to the DVD.

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I went along last Friday with my wife and younger son and watched it in 2D  (son and wife both fed-up now with 3D)

We all enjoyed it. When finished my son and I wished it had lasted another hour or so.... thought it was Fantastic !

Guess we'll see more of the Dragon in the next part.

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Saw it on Tuesday.

Best 3D I've seem so far.

Slightly different to LOTR's as its less 'dark', more humorous but the same basic cinematic style.

Great film overall, might go to see it in 2D as well.

48FPS was good, very smooth. It might have helped with the 3D due to less blurring?

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I watched it couple of days ago in 3D non-HFR. Didn't enjoy the blurring & motion during the first 5-10 mins. The movie was good (very good, if you don't compare with LOTR). The 3D IMAX HFR show was starting at 7;30pm, which was when we reached the cinema. Decided to eat first & went for the 8:10pm non-IMAX show.

Will watch it again in a week or so on 3D HFR IMAX.

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Agree with the_lhc on this one

The hobbit was written as a children's book and LOTR as adult. my concern before I saw the film was whether they could balance the tone of the book with the tone of the LOTR films as they are quite different - can you imagine a troll called Bert in LOTR? Fortunately I think they managed to pull this off.

The film was slow and possibly over-long but keep in mind it is the first of a trilogy so needed to establish the new characters and set the scene

I also thought the animation on Gollum has gone up a notch or two. His facial expressions were even more convincing then in the LOTR films

In regards to the screenplay it was adapted by Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens (both who adapted the LOTR), Peter Jackson and Guillermo del Toro. I can't think of 4 people i'd rather have doing the job to be honest

 

 

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Also if the Silmarillion is ever made I'd like to see it done as a big budget TV series. Perhaps a stand-alone episode for each chapter of the book. This would never have happened before game of thrones but given how successful that show is...well we can but hope

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You raise a good point about golem. I'm sure they will update the CGI on the next release of LOTR, as they with the recent bluray release. I just hope he doesn't go all George Lucas on us.  

On a side not... Game of thrones is spectacular!

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About HFR. I was let down by the cinema! Every time a fast pace action sequence occurred or characters started running it seemed to speed up, much like pressing fast forward! 

Now please tell me I was the only one and HFR is worth it?

 

 

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You raise a good point about golem. I'm sure they will update the CGI on the next release of LOTR, as they with the recent bluray release. I just hope he doesn't go all George Lucas on us.  

On a side not... Game of thrones is spectacular!

There's to BE an update of LOTR's  ?

Do you think Peter will make a War of the Ring movie ?

As for Game Of Thrones, I watched the first one by my self and couldn't imagine watching this and the reast with my wife and children.... it seemed a tad 'pervy' to me.

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I am guessing they will, nothing has been confirmed just yet. It would make sense to update the CGI on golem once more. This will keep him looking the same throughout, especially if we get a mega box set with both sets of films.  Just a guess Smile

As with most HBO shows, the theme is adult but nobody focuses on character development and story more. Perhaps one to watch in private, making it more pervy  rolling on the floor laughing

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I am guessing they will, nothing has been confirmed just yet. It would make sense to update the CGI on golem once more. This will keep him looking the same throughout, especially if we get a mega box set with both sets of films.


GOLLUM! Ffs... And they won't update him, as Andy Serkis said himself, this is more than 50 years before LOTR so he's going to be looking a lot hotter than in the earlier films! Without the ring's influence for that time he's aged quickly, so it makes no sense for him to look "the same" in both sets of films.