Hi Nugget, nice to see you finally got your HC set up and your new flat.
Don't bother with cheap surrounds, in my opinion you are wasting your money. You are better off saving up for surrounds that match your fronts.
Where are you planning to put your sub? Subs need to find their best position in a room and you don't have much room anyway, let alone finding the 'sub sweet spot'. I think a Monolith will be too big unles it doubles as a coffee table in the middle of the room
I also think that the XXLS400 might be a liitle large for the space too, it all depends on where you plan to site it.
How is the floor re soundproofing? Can your downstairs neighbours hear you at the moment.
It would be a shame to spend good money on a sub that you cannot enjoy fully for fear of upsetting your neighbours. Maybe rather than wasting money on cheap surrounds, can you pick up a relatively cheap 2nd hand sub to try out first. You could experiment with placement and test the water with the neighbours.
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BK Built the Q series of Rel Subs for them, I am pretty sure - they def built subs for them. REL then sold out to another company.
I have had a Q50 (no where near enough power) and a Q150E (way too small no deep bass) - the XLS400 is miles better than both but as stated above you are limited on space.
A sealed sub is designed for coner placement and you have your system squeezed in very tight into that corner - I assume for a reason?
You might be better off with a monolith if your going to put it to the right of your system away from a corner - However living in a flat you will get a lot of complaints I dare say from the deep bass.
Sub placement is crucial - more important than anything else infact.
You actually might be better off with a seeing if you can get a PV1 - its small will fit into the corner and the deep rumbling bass it doesnt do wont upset the neighbours. 40 - 50hz is still quite deep and punchy region
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jonathanRD wrote:Don't bother with cheap surrounds, in my opinion you are wasting your money. You are better off saving up for surrounds that match your fronts.
My Fronts are Mordaunt Short Anavnt series but my 4 sattelites are from an old JVC all in one DVD home cinema system. If the OP even decides to go down the surround sound route as he said he's not bothered. As long as the subwoofer is set up correctly a set of small cheap surrounds will do fine.
Sure having surrounds to match your fronts will give you the same kind of definition all round but I just watched the first 3 Star Wars DVDs and they sounded awesome all round.
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H-T: Pioneer; Kuro LX5090, BDP LX71, SC LX73. CA P500. SKY+HD. Rel Q50. Mordaunt Short Avant.
I may be late to the party here.... And what im about to say might not be that popular. Bk subwoofers aren't all there craked up to be. The Monlith is hugh but when i had one didn't sound all that great to my ears. And thats the important thing here you really need to be able to do a home trial! What works for some one else might not work for you!
Nick at home sound is good with home trails. He will allow you try and see what you think, If you dont like it no questions asked he will take it back at no extra cost. He has a good selection of second hand stock that he might be able to tempt you with all at good prices.
I really do think you need to put that SVS back on you your list as its smaller than the monolith and according to users that have heard both isnt that fare behind the monolith for shear output and depth and is probale a little more tuneful.
Really you need to able to hear all the tones of a sub so one set up with room correction sofware PBK or similar will sound better and more tuneful than the biggest thing you can buy. You maybe missing the last 40hz for example from the monolith in your room (because the room is sucking the life out of the bass) so you may as well go with sub that only goes to 40hz if thats the case. If that makes any sense at all.
As for Rel they are good subs but there are better (as with eveything in life) but the older versions are considered the best.
A well know acoution site has a really nice Strata 5 goes to 16hz (take that with a pinch of salt) but never the less is really nice and looks to be in good condition and is also within budget and the seller is throwing a lead with it!! QED i think.
For what its worth my top picks would be for this kind of money would be
Paradigm DSP 3200 with PBK
and some sort of baby velodyne with room correction
But you really need arrange away to listen to them in your own space!!! or book a demo somewhere. Hope tha makes sense im not the best speller in the world so i appoligise in advance.
Room correction on the subwoofer not really needed if your amp EQ's the subwoofer unlike mine.
I guess since I'm living in a flat maybe the monolith is not needed then. I just want deeper bass than my current zensor 3s and I would like more of a punch and oomph for explosions but not shake the whole flat building. Maybe even if it went down to 25-30hz that would be fine. Currently on a decent volume during the hospital explosion scene on the dark knight my zensor 3s shake the room a little bit.
neighbour would most likely feel or hear the bass but i would have on
low volume until he goes out to work or elsewhere (once dog starts barking I know he is out
since sheer power then isn't necessary do you think Cambridge audio aero 9 is not the best for
my situation? Having a 10" downported passive radiator might shake the floor I don't know how they work.
think monolith no longer an option. I think id still like a ported design even if isn't a beast of a sub.
The pb1000 is still bit of a beast so think id pass that sub too. And it's still £450.
any subs that go down to 25hz have a front placed port and are £400 and under? Something like a ported bk xls200..
Was also thinking of not having a sub altogether and instead putting the money towards surrounds (putting zensor 3s to the back and buying zensor 5s for the front..
the search continues!
Does having a port make that much difference for movies? If not maybe xls200 xxls400 or aero 9 will be on the shortlist. If I were to put the aero 9 on a granite slab or chopping board that would hopefully reduce vibrations a bit. Although the free accessories with a bk sub is tempting saving money on a sub lead. Might go demo the aero 9 sub again soon with the dark knight hospital scene and pacific rim see if it amazes me
Personally i prefer sealed subwoofers as there more tuneful. But ported ones go deeper for any given size....SVS do a sealed one as well the sb1000 which is very nice subwoofer and goes down to you stated 25-30hz !!! I would take this over the BK any day due to having a better amp (it has a dsp that controls the woofer and stops it from damaging its self)
I would leave the leave the aero 9 as its not the best! I know its not what you want to hear though.
But i alway say if your humming and harring leave it for a while and think about it. These pages can cofuse sometimes with everybody saying this and that but i think the subwoffer is the better way to go.... I could live with the surounds as in the grand scheme of thinks dont as much as the front ones.
A subwoofer would to the excitment.
another optio that no one has menationed!
Have you thought about a monitor audio subwoofer the radius 380 looks to be nice and round the same price as the BK subwoofer. Its small but has a passive raditor (it achives the same thing as port but without chuffing and can sound more controlled) RS should sell them so give them listen if you can.
but that may be adding to the confussion..... DONT BE SCARED TO ASK FOR 50 QUID OFF nevr pay the price on the ticket trust me you will get it or somthing to sweaten the deal!!!!... i got my sub and dali fazons for anamazing price you just have to ask. The indepents will do there best to help you but obvversly dont take the pee as they do offer really good service unlike currys or somthing.
but if your set on the BK then thats the one!!!
SVS PB1000 carries a seriously good reputation. Bigger the sub is, better it will perform. Bigger doesn't have to be louder.
Hmm, now re considering the pb1000 as read it's like a monolith but in a smaller footprint which is good for my small room goes low has decent size driver of 10". One reason I was leaning towards the bk because of the super spikes which might give more isolation from the floor. Still maybe the pb1000 on a granite slab might still be decently isolated. So I could potentially damage a sub by playing it high volume without a low pass filter or something? But then surely it wouldn't go as low, as some go down to 40Hz with the filter
Reading big boss's comment I think the pb1000 will be my choice. In my eyes the monolith is the king sub of the 450-500 pound price point. Maybe if I move into a house in the future I will get a monolith! For now I think the scaled down sub of the pb1000 will be alright for my flat. Can always lower volume if need be. Still goes very low and 10" driver should be fine. Lot better than my bookshelves anyway and that's good enough for me! Think I'll order the pb1000 in a couple months unless I change my mind again lol. Might get my 5.1 sorted when sub arrives too have full experience
If I was to increase my budget upto maybe £700 what other good ported subs would fit into that price range? Was looking at the pb2000 after I read the pb1000 can't quite punch you in the chest and one day I would like to see what that feels like!
Try Zensor1 as surrounds and Dali SUB E-9 F
The PB1000 looks very good performance for the money.
SVS are clever I think in getting the rated performance from a 10" sub. Lets us know how you get on with it
now i am deciding between bk monolith and svs pb-1000.
so hard to decide, both subs have 300W RMS but bk has 12" while svs has 10", the svs might have more efficient driver the svs looks nicer but is there any other pro's and cons for each sub?
the only thing that is making me lean towards bk is 12" driver