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yep, I have ordered one from John Lewis and it will be with me within a week.  I have started to realise that my existing home cinema system will not cope with 3D blu ray.  i have a KEF speaker package, a Pioneer BDP -LX71 and a Pioneer VSX LX 52, both were very good a few years ago but are not ready for the new 3D world.  I know I will have to change the blu ray player, but do I need to change the Receiver?  I know that if I buy a player with two HMDI outputs then I can split the signal, but are there any down sides to this such that I should buy a new receiver too? Is it easy for instance to ensure that the video and audio sync?  Are there currently any benefits in keeping with Pioneer for a new player in terms of control?  I had thought about a BDP 450, but have read that there are issues with that?  Any advice gratefully received.

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The Blu-ray player is top notch very good indeed, 5star review on this very site no issues from the review, you could have problems with any player, but I have been told that the issues that were causing a few niggles have been sorted by firm-ware update, as for the Amp I am looking now, the older pioneers are slowly dropping a little more now, as for yours I am sure some one will advise, I think you can use multi channel outs if yours has them for the new surround formats/DTS Master Audio etc, I have been out of the Cinema side of things for a while now so need to catch up. I think you could still enjoy the 3D Side with 2 HDMIs as you say, but not 100%. Big Boss is the man for this answer. Anyway the Blu-ray can be had for £185 now great deal, just do a search, or check out the new What HiFi Shop, this will put in touch with good dealers. Cool

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Pioneer 450 will work very well in your case. I haven't heard of any downsides to splitting audio & video signal.

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RE: Samsung UE55f8000 on delivery but....

Thanks guys.  I presume that I will need a new high speed HDMI lead from  th enew player to the TV, but an exiting older cable will do from the player to the amp, as the amp only as the original HDMI standard.

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Which HDMI cable do you have? What you want is the high speed HDMI cable that supports 3D.  You probably have the cable already, so give it a try before you rush out and buy a new one.

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RE: Samsung UE55f8000 on delivery but....

Final question.  If I decided to buy a new cinema amp, with a budget of say £500-750 would I see that much change in the quality of my viewing and listening?

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fourforkshouse wrote:

Thanks guys.  I presume that I will need a new high speed HDMI lead from  th enew player to the TV, but an exiting older cable will do from the player to the amp, as the amp only as the original HDMI standard.

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it's also worth considering whether you actually want/need 3D. 

If you do, go for it, but if you're just trying to keep up with technological advances, it's worth noting that some people are of the view that 3D was only the "new thing" to hype while manufacturers made up their minds about 4K and OLED and other future "new trends",  and the punters didn't really take to it.

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fourforkshouse wrote:

Final question.  If I decided to buy a new cinema amp, with a budget of say £500-750 would I see that much change in the quality of my viewing and listening?

Given that the Pioneer was pretty good in its day, and can handle HD audio via HDMI if I remember correctly, then I don't think you need to change it at this point. £500-£750 would get you one of the Award-winning Yamahas from 2012, but given that the new models are on the way, I'd wait for now.

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Further to the previous posts, I have set up the system using HDMI leads going from both ports.  Video to the TV, and audio to the amp,  but the sound going from the Pioneer 450 to my old Pioneer Amp does not sync properly.  I cannot see any settings to adjust the syncing, in the same way as you can with the Sky box.  Have I missed anything?

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Adjust the audio delay (lip sync) on your amp as per your manual:

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/129791/Pioneer-Bdp-Lx52.html?page=35

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RE: Samsung UE55f8000 on delivery but....

Bigboss, thank you for your reply.  My amp is a VSX-LX 52 and the player a Pioneer BDP 450. I think the link you have posted is for a BDP LX52 player.  I do not have any setting son either peice of equipment (as far as I can see) relating to lip sync.

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fourforkshouse wrote:

Thanks guys.  I presume that I will need a new high speed HDMI lead from  th enew player to the TV, but an exiting older cable will do from the player to the amp, as the amp only as the original HDMI standard.

 

How old is older?  The HDMI needs to be a minimum of 1.3 spec for auto lip sync to work.

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fourforkshouse wrote:

Bigboss, thank you for your reply.  My amp is a VSX-LX 52 and the player a Pioneer BDP 450. I think the link you have posted is for a BDP LX52 player.  I do not have any setting son either peice of equipment (as far as I can see) relating to lip sync.

Page 61 of LX52 amp's manual (auto delay):

http://docs.pioneer.eu/Manuals/VSX_LX52_ARB7428_manual/

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Paul, do I therefore need 3 hi speed HDMI's?  One from the blu ray to the TV, one from the player to the receiver, and one from it?  Given the output from the receiver will not, I resume, be hi speed.

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