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For example, Dr Mark Kermode PhD:

I like this new form of address, if you missed the Dr at beginning, you get the PhD at the end. I will be referring to myself as Bachelor of Science <my name> BSc in future - or perhaps not.:)
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Well I thought the characters were just so unbelievable. Any time they tried to show some emotion I just facepalmed myself as it was just so cheesy and artificial. In every seen a chracter does something that made no sense. The movie was at several times just laughable. 

From what I remembered there were a few plot holes too but maybe I missed a few things. That's the optimist in me saying that.

In a nutshell it was like I was watching one of those slasher flicks with those stupid teens mixed with a bit of Lost. I never watched Lost but from what I hear they share similar flaws.

Now I was pretty much telling everybody to not bother but how many times have you taken somebody's advice from a forum? Definitely go see it just to be part of the conversation but I will tell you to not keep your hopes up. Go in with no expectations and you may just not want to rip your hair out at the end.

You hit the spot right there!

This may sound a bit harsh but Prometheus seems to be aimed at the less-than-discerning viewer demographic. I expected a more intelligent film seeing how it presented such grand ideas. Instead all I got was a pretty package with a plot and characters that made no sense. It insulted it's audience. As such, anyone should leave their brain at home if they choose (/make the mistake) to go see this. Or expect to be confounded by the film's retarded mediocrity, as I was.

I find these types of comments amusing.... My younger daughter came with me she liked the film (thought it was good) my elder daughters boyfriend asked me the next evening "was it any good ?" so i cut him a look that said OF COURSE IT WAS HOW DARE YOU while saying "yes it's very good but you need to have your brain in gear to watch it" to which he looked at me back with an are  you saying i'm stupid look on his face  ROFL

I had to say to him i'm not saying you are stupid but you probably won't like it if you don't think about it.

ANLI you say the plot and characters made no sense this is possibly why you didn't like the film made sense to me and it's you who is questioning that the film is aimed at the less-than-discerning viewer ! ROFL

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ANLI wrote:

Sleepaphobic wrote:

Well I thought the characters were just so unbelievable. Any time they tried to show some emotion I just facepalmed myself as it was just so cheesy and artificial. In every seen a chracter does something that made no sense. The movie was at several times just laughable. 

From what I remembered there were a few plot holes too but maybe I missed a few things. That's the optimist in me saying that.

In a nutshell it was like I was watching one of those slasher flicks with those stupid teens mixed with a bit of Lost. I never watched Lost but from what I hear they share similar flaws.

Now I was pretty much telling everybody to not bother but how many times have you taken somebody's advice from a forum? Definitely go see it just to be part of the conversation but I will tell you to not keep your hopes up. Go in with no expectations and you may just not want to rip your hair out at the end.

You hit the spot right there!

This may sound a bit harsh but Prometheus seems to be aimed at the less-than-discerning viewer demographic. I expected a more intelligent film seeing how it presented such grand ideas. Instead all I got was a pretty package with a plot and characters that made no sense. It insulted it's audience. As such, anyone should leave their brain at home if they choose (/make the mistake) to go see this. Or expect to be confounded by the film's retarded mediocrity, as I was.

I find these types of comments amusing.... My younger daughter came with me she liked the film (thought it was good) my elder daughters boyfriend asked me the next evening "was it any good ?" so i cut him a look that said OF COURSE IT WAS HOW DARE YOU while saying "yes it's very good but you need to have your brain in gear to watch it" to which he looked at me back with an are  you saying i'm stupid look on his face  ROFL

I had to say to him i'm not saying you are stupid but you probably won't like it if you don't think about it.

ANLI you say the plot and characters made no sense this is possibly why you didn't like the film made sense to me and it's you who is questioning that the film is aimed at the less-than-discerning viewer ! ROFL

 

Your skills of telepathy probably help tho  Wink

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@ 6th replicant

 

Are you arguing just for the sake of it or do you like this movie so much that you are offended? I'm just saying what I think.

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Luckily I did not have the misfortune of seeing the latter (2d or 3d), but good company ensured I saw the former - and yes it was very popular, and verily not good.

Am I the only one who quite liked pirhana 3D?  :oops:. 

Nope, you're not the only one. For a 'B movie', which it was supposed to be, it was quite enjoyable - good bit of fun. The problem is that many people seem to want their movies to sit in their own reality, and for everything that happens on screen to be totally believable. I think people sometimes forget that movies generally used as an 'escape' from reality. I'd give it at least 7/10, and that's even if you discount "the scene"  ROFL

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 Plot flaws that I remember off the top of my head:

 

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!

Opening Scene?

So they got that star map but apparently it points to some sort of base and not the home planet. Why?

Ya we'll have all that tech in only 80 years

Point for the holograms

Cyborg dude chilling out after getting some awesome massage when in Alien (Set more into the future ie better tech) cyborg dude is totally jacked up after similar damage

Point of infecting that dude

Zombie?

Why all of a sudden we suck and jockies want to merc us

Jockey is Chuck Norris and sprints in toxic atmosphere from a destroyed ship to another ship knowing that chick is there

 

There are other things with a lot of them to do with that unexpected pregnancy and complete incompetance by hand picked scientists on a deep space mission.

OK you could explain a lot of these by using your imagination but you could say that for every movie ever made that had missing info. It's hardly what you'd call good story telling either.

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hammill wrote:

6th.replicant wrote:

For example, Dr Mark Kermode PhD:

I like this new form of address, if you missed the Dr at beginning, you get the PhD at the end. I will be referring to myself as Bachelor of Science <my name> BSc in future - or perhaps not.:)

An in-joke for the benefit of R5 listeners. Of course, I should've written: Doctor Mark Kermode D.Litt B.S.C. PhD D.Phil. D.Hor.Fic. Dr.Phil MSci MBiochem MEng MMath MPhys MDes MPhil MB BS or BM BS MB BChir MB BCh BAO MA (Cantab.) tautologist-in-chief MA (Dubl.) MA (Hons) MA (Oxon.) EdS NuclE PsyD FdTech MBE CBE OBE VC MC.

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Sleepaphobic, dont forget when Millburn takes an unrealistic kind of interest in the alien 'snake-like' creature like he actually wants to cuddle it (not merely study it). Did they seriously expect us to accept that a man with a supposedly adequate level of intelligence visiting an alien planet would do such a thing? Really dumb way to write this scene. Made several people in the audience giggle, which I bet was hardly the filmmakers intention. Should have played out differently. It kinda sets the tone for the entire movie in a way, lol.

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Well, I've just been to see the 2D version.

I booked my usual premier seat, but before the film started, I moved to the middle of the front section, firstly to move away from everyone else and the rustling packets, and secondly for the screen to fill more of my field of vision - I figured I'm only going to experience this movie once (in this sense), so I want to make the most of it. I'm glad I did. The film is visually stunning in places, and now that the cinema has newly installed digital projection systems which are now on par with what i have at home, I'm forward to the Bluray release that I can enjoy at home.

Sound is fantastic. The spaceship taking off and landing both sounded like and felt like a spaceship taking off and landing. The storm was a bit of a detail fest too, and if your system doesn't sound and feel like you're in the middle of it, something needs upgrading!

I love Cameron's follow up as it is everything that Scott's original isn't, but for me, it is Scott's original that I'm a big fan of. Whenever a film like this gets a prequel that's filmed decades later, I'm always praying they've filmed it in a way that makes it look as though it has the same look as the original. It's never the case though. As far as criticising the film, it's not really something I would do unless I feel I can do better than the director. Ghost Rider was a crap film. As a young lad reading the comics from a very early age, I will criticise the director for such a travesty of film making. It really is awful, and as dull a film as you can get. If people really want to put Prometheus in the same bracket as films like this, that's fine, but their opinion of movies isn't one that I would take into account when being recommended a movie.

No film is perfect though, and Prometheus is no exception. But there's many more movies out there with glaring inconsistencies than Prometheus. The saying when we get something wrong is, "I'm only human". Film directors are only human. They may be specialists in their field (to differing extents), but they are only human.

I watched this movie after only watching the first teaser, and not seeing any of the 200,000 trailers that followed. I approached it with an open mind, despite all the slagging off it has been getting. I really enjoyed the movie. There's probably a number of things I missed first time round, but those will become apparent when I watch the Bluray. There's a lot of info to take in, and maybe that will take a few viewings. Maybe the film needed to be longer, we'll see if that's the case if there is a Director's Cut on the Bluray release.

I didn't think much of Rapace. She was fine in The Girl Who Did Three Things, but I think she was the wrong choice here. Fassbender is excellent, and perfect for the role. The others played their parts fine, and I have no quarrel with them, even 'shouty man', who I actually like as an actor (Isolation). I was quite surprised how Rafe Spall fitted in - I only recognised him by his gummy smile. Nice to see relatively unknown British actors getting roles in big movies. For me, it was only Rapace who let things down.

I think there's one aspect of this film that may have miffed so many people. But I believe the subject matter was made clear before the film was finished. If it is this, it didn't bother me at all.

I'd give it 8/10.

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I was wondering, what classical piece is being played when David (Fassbender) is passing time, cycling while playing basket etc.?

I think it's the same piece they play when the credits starts rolling.

I have heard it before, I just can't put "a name" on it. 

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Sleepaphobic] Plot flaws that I remember off the top of my head: SPOILERS!!!!!!!! [quote wrote:
Opening Scene?
Assuming humankind evolved from fish: the alien/engineer sacrificed itself, the domposition process broke-down its DNA in the sea to assimilate with sea creatures, thus kick-starting humankind's evolution? And let's not forget, Prometheus is science fiction.  
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So they got that star map but apparently it points to some sort of base and not the home planet. Why?
Damage-limitation? Humankind could've evolved into an agressive and duplicitous race, capable of space travel, with a penchant for warmongering and colonisation - so perhaps not giving out a home address was rather prudent? 
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Ya we'll have all that tech in only 80 years
Again, it's science fiction. But, compare the tech of an early 1930s Supermarine Type 224 (aka Spitfire prototype) with today's Eurofighter Typhoon. Or a 2000-era laptop with an iPad. So, who knows what tech we'll have 80 years hence??   
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Point for the holograms
A form of visual record and/or warning?
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Cyborg dude chilling out after getting some awesome massage when in Alien (Set more into the future ie better tech) cyborg dude is totally jacked up after similar damage
Sorry, don't understand what you're saying.
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Point of infecting that dude
David asked Holloway what he would be prepared to do to find out answers to his questions about the engineers. Holloway says everything and anything. David dips his finger in the glass...
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Zombie?
If you're asking who is/was the zombie - Millburn.
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Why all of a sudden we suck and jockies want to merc us?
Currently, who knows? That's the question at the end of the movie, as Shaw says - she wants to know what made the engineers decide to wipe out humankind. Guess we'll find out in the sequels.
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Jockey is Chuck Norris and sprints in toxic atmosphere from a destroyed ship to another ship knowing that chick is there
The engineers' ship crash landed, it wasn't totally destroyed - David also survived - and the egineer was wearing its suit and helmet when ship crashed. Instinct made engineer jump out pronto, it then saw Vicker's hybrid survival pod/quarters and assumed humans would be onboard, and before entering the survival pod the engineer removed its cumbersome suit/helmet for potential fisticuffs? 
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There are other things with a lot of them to do with that unexpected pregnancy and complete incompetance by hand picked scientists on a deep space mission.
Sorry, don't understand your query re pregnancy.  The scientests were not prepared/trained, nor chosen for, conflict, nor was Prometheus equipped for combat - after all, it was literally a journey into the unknown. And Weyland-Yutani has a 'history' of sending inappropriate and inexperienced personnel on missions...   Just sayin' Smile 

 

Sleepaphobic wrote:
Plot flaws that I remember off the top of my head:

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!

Opening Scene?

Assuming humankind evolved from fish: the alien/engineer sacrificed itself, the decomposition process broke-down its DNA in the sea to assimilate with sea creatures, thus kick-starting humankind's evolution? And let's not forget, Prometheus is science fiction.  

Quote:
So they got that star map but apparently it points to some sort of base and not the home planet. Why?

Damage-limitation? Humankind could've evolved into an agressive and duplicitous race, capable of space travel, with a penchant for warmongering and colonisation - so perhaps not giving out a home address was rather prudent? 

Quote:
Ya we'll have all that tech in only 80 years

Again, it's science fiction. But, compare the tech of an early 1930s Supermarine Type 224 (aka Spitfire prototype) with today's Eurofighter Typhoon. Or a 2000-era laptop with an iPad. So, who knows what tech we'll have 80 years hence??   

Quote:
Point for the holograms

A form of visual record and/or warning?

Quote:
Cyborg dude chilling out after getting some awesome massage when in Alien (Set more into the future ie better tech) cyborg dude is totally jacked up after similar damage

Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.

Quote:
Point of infecting that dude

David asked Holloway what he would be prepared to do to find out answers to his questions about the engineers. Holloway says everything and anything. David dips his finger in the glass...

Quote:
Zombie?

If you're asking who is/was the zombie - Millburn.

Quote:
Why all of a sudden we suck and jockies want to merc us?

Currently, who knows? That's the question at the end of the movie, as Shaw says - she wants to know what made the engineers decide to wipe out humankind. Guess we'll find out in the sequels.

Quote:
Jockey is Chuck Norris and sprints in toxic atmosphere from a destroyed ship to another ship knowing that chick is there

The engineers' ship crash landed, it wasn't totally destroyed - David also survived - and the egineer was wearing its suit and helmet when ship crashed.

Instinct made engineer jump out pronto, it then saw Vicker's hybrid survival pod/quarters and assumed humans would be onboard, and before entering the survival pod the engineer removed its cumbersome suit/helmet for potential fisticuffs? 

Quote:
There are other things with a lot of them to do with that unexpected pregnancy and complete incompetance by hand picked scientists on a deep space mission.

Sorry, don't understand your query re pregnancy. 

The scientests were not prepared/trained nor chosen for conflict, nor was Prometheus equipped for combat - after all, it was literally a journey into the unknown.

And Weyland-Yutani has a 'history' of sending inappropriate and inexperienced personnel on missions...  

 

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I was wondering, what classical piece is being played when David (Fassbender) is passing time, cycling while playing basket etc.?

I think it's the same piece they play when the credits starts rolling.

I have heard it before, I just can't put "a name" on it. 

Chopin, Prelude Op. 28, No. 15 - aka Raindrop - clickety

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6th.replicant] [quote=Sleepaphobic wrote:
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Zombie?
If you're asking who is/was the zombie - Millburn.
That was Fifield (the guy who came back to the ship to terrorise the crew)

6th.replicant wrote:

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If you're asking who is/was the zombie - Millburn.

 

That was Fifield (the guy who came back to the ship to terrorise the crew)

 

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6th.replicant wrote:

Chokobolt wrote:

I was wondering, what classical piece is being played when David (Fassbender) is passing time, cycling while playing basket etc.?

I think it's the same piece they play when the credits starts rolling.

I have heard it before, I just can't put "a name" on it. 

Chopin, Prelude Op. 28, No. 15 - aka Raindrop - clickety

 

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