FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:Disaster?!A tad strong, but does anyone agree with this?
A tad strong, but does anyone agree with this?
In some ways, yes, I could agree with PROMETHEUS being somewhat of a 'disaster'. Depends on how you look at it of course. Like I mentioned earlier the only positives I got from the film were the superficials - but high production values alone does not a good movie make (an often repeated mistake in Hollywood, no?). Seeing Theron and Rapace in skintight lycra was nice though.
In my small country the film had close to 100.000 visitors the opening weekend, which is close to a record here. Now I continue to read tons and tons of negative reflections from people and word-of-mouth is overwhelmingly bad. Some (less demaning?) moviegoers will like it though.
I'll be going to see it myself anyway
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This film has undoubtedly divided opinion with alot of criticism being aimed at Plot , characters, reality checks , lazy film making etc etc..
IMO Ridley Scott made absolutely the film he wanted to make... to take back his original creation and give it a new direction with a backdrop of the biggest questions we as a human race have to ask "What,where,why,how did we come to being". This is evident thoughout the film. I feel it reflects on us as a human race through time past, present + future. Standard SCIFI/Horror with a deep subtextul core underneath.
That's how i saw it.
If you got a problem with the film that's your problem not Ridleys.
I'd be interested to see if opinion changes with the repeat veiwing on blu-ray..... i always remember watching Ocean 11 and thinking it was rubbish and when i watched it sometime later again i loved it so i know you can change your mind about a film.
v1c wrote:This film has undoubtedly divided opinion with alot of criticism being aimed at Plot , characters, reality checks , lazy film making etc etc.. IMO Ridley Scott made absolutely the film he wanted to make... to take back his original creation and give it a new direction with a backdrop of the biggest questions we as a human race have to ask "What,where,why,how did we come to being". This is evident thoughout the film. I feel it reflects on us as a human race through time past, present + future. Standard SCIFI/Horror with a deep subtextul core underneath.
That's how i saw it.If you got a problem with the film that's your problem not Ridleys.I'd be interested to see if opinion changes with the repeat veiwing on blu-ray..... i always remember watching Ocean 11 and thinking it was rubbish and when i watched it sometime later again i loved it so i know you can change your mind about a film.
Despite what I think of the film I'm looking forward to my next viewing (on Blu-ray) regardless, but mostly just for the home theater experience. A close friend whose taste I fully trust saw it again last night though, and all he got out of his 2nd view were more evident flaws, so I'm doubtful. And sorry, but I dont agree that if a film lacks the ability to engage me it's my problem - it's the films problem (not soley "blaming" Ridley Scott here). I'm just the spectator, not the creator. But no one film can please everyone. Divided opinions will always exist. We all know this.
I am a diehard Alien fan, and I too was disappointed at the way the story went. My first words at the end were "that's gonna get panned".
After 2 days reflection, I doubt that I would have said anything different, but pleasing the Alienheads would always have been difficult regardless.
I won't try and discuss the film here, just wish it would have been different.
Lastly, I agree that it is a first class production and yes I will be buying it on Blu ray 3D. To anyone who has not yet seen it, I will say the same as I told one of my Alien nut house mates, go see it and see it at an IMAX if you can, what you think of the story is up to you but you have to see it.
Bit contradictory I know, but for my own reasons I was disappointed. However rather like Alien 3 I think the film grow on me later after the frustration dies down
Again I have to say the premise of the entire film and the actions and reactions of some of the characters were so badly excecuted it was almost insulting to an audiences intelligence, despite this being fantasy sci-fic. What was worse, I could not relate to a single character on screen, in contrast to a multitude of other characters Ridley has directed in other films. The script and screenplay might to blame here I think? In terms of sci-fic this is mediocre at best. Oh what could have been.........
Excitable Boy wrote:In space, no one can hear your disappointment....................
In space, no one can hear your disappointment....................
Agree with Ricky. As a big fan of Alien and to a lesser extent the rest of the franchise I was dissapointed with the storyline and characters but thought the acting was up to scratch. As a piece of cinema it could not be faulted, the picture and sound were impeccable, It was as though Ridley was forced into making a "Prequel" (sorry Charlise), and had to come up with something.
It's an ambitious 'big movie', in every sense of the phrase, and by not playing it safe/joining-the-dots, it's very refreshing :clap:
There're a tidy few themes/metaphors flying around: Faith and creationism vs Darwinism; racism/slavery; fish-out-of-water/acceptance/a sense of place and self [during the outward voyage, android David (Fassbender) frequently re-watches Lawrence of Arabia and models himself on Lawrence/O'Toole...], etc.
Once again, props to Scott for including strong female leads - Rapace and Theron - while Idris Elba's ship's capt is suitably savvy, laconic and likable; Fassbender is cool - Birkenstocks aside - witty and sinister; and the rest of the cast have their moments.
Rappace obviously has a very large pair of
Reeboks to fill, so it seems she's opted to make her character less gung-ho/headstrong, more of a sensitive/thinking scientest, but just as smart, resourceful and determined.
Natch, there's the obligatory 'annoying shouty man' character - but don'tcha love it when they get despatched, in an oozing flurry of eye-popping SFX...
And speaking of "oozing, eye-popping SFX" - there's plenty :grin:
There are some great moments re camera work and direction, some of which is quite subtle - eg, love it when the ship slams on the 'brakes' when it reaches LV-223 (note: not LV-426...). And plenty of 'eeks', 'OMGs' and tension.
HR Giger's designs are carried over and very apparent throughout the Space Jockey's 'caves'; hence HRG's credit in the end titles.
However, in hindsight, at times Prometheus does seem a tad disjointed; perhaps Scott's intended final cut has had severe pruneage? For example, there's no sign of Elizabeth Shaw's pitch to Wayland to fund the voyage or the latter's Ted address. And during an interview on
R5's Kermode and Mayo's Film Review (during Podcast, Prometheus section starts at 32:35), Scott hinted that there might be a director's cut: "...There's every possibility, never say never." (Kermode awarded 7.5/10.)
Is it significant that Prometheus's cinema cut is 124 mins and Inception, another example of a 'thinking SF blockbuster', is 148 mins?
But, and IMVHO it's a 'big but', 3D is not able do Prometheus's cinematography justice.
Too often, 3D can't deal with shallow depth-of-field, rendering figures/objects in the foreground as merely over-lit and placed against 1930s-era (cruddy) back-projection, and when objects 'jump out' of the screen and the image eventually dissolves, it's so feeble it's comical. Also in the Kermode/Mayo interview, it's arguable that Scott prefers the 2D: "The 2D [version] is actually quite beautiful."
A must-see, but not in gimmicky 3D.
Like I said elsewhere on the forum after watching it that evening I too wrote in to say that I was dissapointed with it.
I thought the whole visual thing was fantastic though and saw it in 3D.
From my own observasion I thought the enficise was more on HOW the movie looked and sounded rather than the actual storyline.
I thought that it was going to be nore along the lines of Alien though I was hoping for the type of action sequences in Aliens so maybe this also added to me feeling a bit off about how much I liked it ?
I will howerver still buy it to watch again.
I'm not a massive Alien fan, the original movie is undoubtedly a classic, the rest, though, don't really do it for me.
I am looking forward to seeing Prometheus though, in 2D, and not 3D, and I hope it will be better than many of you think it is, but I won't expect too much. I kind of trust 6th.replicant's judgement on movies, so I'm hoping he's right.
Oh, and it's theatres, not theaters. I hate American misspelling.
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Hard to believe I'm about to say this, but on reflection I now actually admire some of the fan-fiction I've read and feel that several of those could have been better grounds for a story. I've always felt that Ridley Scott needed truly well-written scripts to be able to deliver a film that wouldn't soley rely on it's visuals (reminds me of the Star Wars prequels). Sadly, as fine as Prometheus may be on the technical side of things, to me there is no trace of a fulfilling result (thanks Damon Lindelöf? or Ridley Scott for approving his script?). The story lacks an intelligent delivery of its own ideas and questions.
When I think about it more closely it feels as though this flick is nothing more than a mediocre segway for future films and very little else. I wish they'd focused all energy on making one good stand-alone film and pour everything into that and then possibly take it from there. Instead Prometheus seems like a questionable franchise-starter wrapped in a hollow shell full of cracks.
IIRC, on initial release, both Blade Runner and Alien received very mixed responses from audiences and critics... :roll:
6th.replicant wrote:IIRC, on initial release, both Blade Runner and Alien received very mixed responses from audiences and critics... :roll:
That is true. Let's see if history will repeat itself in Prometheus favor.
Personally I doubt it but only time will tell.
At the very least it's bound to be a very nice home theater experience (?).
I hardly go to cinema now. Was going to see Prometheus but prob wait for the BD. I find cinema can't compete with home cinema and mine is a fairly. MOR system.