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RE: Ken Kreisel dxd

At the moment v1c, we're seeing a few products emerging (hi-fi and AV) that are redefining what is possible for their price point. One of those are KEF's R series, another is Pioneer's new range of Class D hi-fi amplifiers, to name just two. Add to that the DXD12012. For the last couple of years, the subwoofer market has been hiked up in price, taking the high end out of reach of most people. Granted, some of these subs are built without fault, and could be dropped out of a first floor window and survive with only a few scratches. But when you actually look at what you get - in some cases, around £3k for a single 10" driver - it's just ludicrous. And adding in a bit of DSP doesn't make it VFM! I honestly thi that what we're looking at here is a product that is going to make manufacturers sit up and think, "s***, we've got to start from scratch!". Ken's "old but gold" dual 12" MX5100SF sub (considered by many to be the pinnacle of home theatre subwoofery) was £3300 - the DXD12012 outperforms that comfortably, and is under £2k - how is that not a game changer?

I know some will be thinking, "he sells them, he will say that", I'd like to say that I don't 'big up' anything that doesn't deserve it. If I claimed any old product was awesome, I'd just make myself look stupid to those that knew it wasn't. We took on Ken's products because we knew how good they were going to be. Those that have owned his MX subwoofers before know what I'm talking about, and this new range wasn't going to be any different (only better!). We knew they would be special, hence we asked for exclusivity. 

 

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RE: Ken Kreisel dxd

v1c wrote:

MUSICRAFT wrote:

http://www.jlaudio.co.uk/f212-gloss-home-audio-fathom-powered-subwoofers-96150

http://www.jlaudio.co.uk/home-audio-powered-subwoofers-gotham

I was thinking that a quattro quattro stack of DXD12012 was a bit unobtainable until i saw the price of the fathom gotham

£10995. So if you were to go with the recommended 4 sub option advocated by various publication that would be £43980

Taking the KK 4 sub quattro route would be £31664. Would 4 13.5" dual subs be better than 16 12" dual subs even discounting you'd be paying £12316 more. I think if you could afford to pay circa 31K for subwoofers you would have the room for Quattro Quattro stack.

I'm sure the Fathoms are great but they do seem a tad overpriced.

I think you have actually highlighted what great value the KK's are Rick :cheers:

 

 

 

Hi v1c

Hold that thought :beer:

Anyway, i am comfortable with the pricing of the Fathom and Gotham sub woofers. If i wasn't then i would not support these products Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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MUSICRAFT wrote:
Anyway, i am comfortable with the pricing of the Fathom and Gotham sub woofers. If i wasn't then i would not support these products Smile

Hold that thought.  :wave:

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/O\  Smile

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I was in a fortunate enough position to listen to a quattro setup of the dxd12012 over the weekend and all I can say is that the bass on the whole was sharp and thunderous. The depth is there and the attack of the upper bass as well. 

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Ken Kreisel dxd

Sammy i am very envious of your experience Smile

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RE: Ken Kreisel dxd

v1c wrote:
Sammy i am very envious of your experience :)

Why be envious v1c? Saturday 1st December.... >)

DavidF @FrankHarveyHiFi, Coventry.

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Oh you have an open day event. I'll have to see if i can get a rare Saturday off work :cheers:

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See you on the 1st then Wink

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Listening to We Want To Be Loved, by gROUSe

I wasn't going to mention it because it has always been against the rules, but it seems that those rules no longer exist, so yes, we have an open day on Saturday 1st December - there'll be a few new products on demo, and some exclusive first appearances Smile

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RE: Listening to We Want To Be Loved, by gROUSe

God, its been a while since I posted on this forum, did not know it had a KK thread going, good to see his new subs are getting the recognition they deserve :cheers:

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RE: No awards for the good Subs.

Well none of these Subwoofers got an award, so I guess they all suck ass, right? :?

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RE: No awards for the good Subs.

CaptHowdy wrote:

Well none of these Subwoofers got an award, so I guess they all suck ass, right? :?

 

I don't think that really needs answering does it Wink

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RE: No awards for the good Subs.

You know it.  :grin:

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There was no subwoofer section - any reason for that WHF?

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