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RE: Paradigm SUB 15, Ken Kreisel 5000 Mark3 advice needed..

I personally would go for the Sub 15 as I think it is awesome. Yes from my experience MJ are excellent but the Ref 800 does seem over priced although I have never heard one. The Sub15 has over 3000 watts and is highly regarded. I would demo the Sub 15, MJ and the KK. If not I can assure you the Sub 15 will more than tick all of your requirements. 

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I personally would go for the Sub 15 as I think it is awesome. Yes from my experience MJ are excellent but the Ref 800 does seem over priced although I have never heard one. The Sub15 has over 3000 watts and is highly regarded. I would demo the Sub 15, MJ and the KK. If not I can assure you the Sub 15 will more than tick all of your requirements. 

Paradigm Sub 15 it is then ya just something about the MJ 800 driver kinda swung me of it as it didn't look all that and i'm wondering is all hat money for the MJ Ref 800 going on tikme hand building that cabinet something which I would not want to be paying for..  Any way ric71, thank you for staying with the thread and offering sensible advice unlike yer man from  FrankHarveyHiFi no offence, but not once did Frank offer any advice except to sell the KK 5000 Mk3.. L.O.L... Dance 4
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Any way ric71, thank you for staying with the thread and offering sensible advice unlike yer man from  FrankHarveyHiFi no offence, but not once did Frank offer any advice except to sell the KK 5000 Mk3.. L.O.L... Dance 4 

And you were all nice to me on the phone the other day when you asked my advice...

If you double check the thread, you'll see that my two posts were in reply to ric. Once to ask if he'd heard the sub he was commenting on, and secondly to give him a comparison to Ken's older subs that he did own, so he could get an idea of how much better the newer ones are. So you'll notice that I haven't given any advice to sell this particular sub.

Those that actually listen to the sub won't need me to sell it to them Smile

For what its worth, we used to stock MJ Acoustics. No one ever bought them. They were sold off for a loss online. 

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

Mr Big wrote:
Any way ric71, thank you for staying with the thread and offering sensible advice unlike yer man from  FrankHarveyHiFi no offence, but not once did Frank offer any advice except to sell the KK 5000 Mk3.. L.O.L... Dance 4 

And you were all nice to me on the phone the other day when you asked my advice...

If you double check the thread, you'll see that my two posts were in reply to ric. Once to ask if he'd heard the sub he was commenting on, and secondly to give him a comparison to Ken's older subs that he did own, so he could get an idea of how much better the newer ones are. So you'll notice that I haven't given any advice to sell this particular sub.

Those that actually listen to the sub won't need me to sell it to them Smile

For what its worth, we used to stock MJ Acoustics. No one ever bought them. They were sold off for a loss online. 

Smile

 

 

 

 

I don't ever remember chatting with you on the phone, guv?  ROFL

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I don't ever remember chatting with you on the phone, guv?  ROFL

Hmmm. Ok, just A LOT of similarities....

Just a little confused by the flow of the thread. 

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

Mr Big wrote:
Any way ric71, thank you for staying with the thread and offering sensible advice unlike yer man from  FrankHarveyHiFi no offence, but not once did Frank offer any advice except to sell the KK 5000 Mk3.. L.O.L... Dance 4 

And you were all nice to me on the phone the other day when you asked my advice...

If you double check the thread, you'll see that my two posts were in reply to ric. Once to ask if he'd heard the sub he was commenting on, and secondly to give him a comparison to Ken's older subs that he did own, so he could get an idea of how much better the newer ones are. So you'll notice that I haven't given any advice to sell this particular sub.

Those that actually listen to the sub won't need me to sell it to them Smile

For what its worth, we used to stock MJ Acoustics. No one ever bought them. They were sold off for a loss online. 

Smile

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the guys @ MJ acoustics would say about you rubbishing their subwoofers on line ROFL I don't assume they would be very pleased if  they happened to come across this thread on line.  :boohoo:

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I wonder what the guys @ MJ acoustics would say about you rubbishing their subwoofers on line ROFL I don't assume they would be very pleased if  they happened to come across this thread on line.  :boohoo:

All I have said is that they didn't sell - nothing wrong in that. Its called honesty. It was yourself that said the MJ driver "wasn't all that".

Anyway, you've dragged me into this enough and I can see the direction its heading. You've made your decision on the sub you're buying. Do pop back and let us know how you get on Smile

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Mr Big wrote:
I wonder what the guys @ MJ acoustics would say about you rubbishing their subwoofers on line ROFL I don't assume they would be very pleased if  they happened to come across this thread on line.  :boohoo:

All I have said is that they didn't sell - nothing wrong in that. Its called honesty. It was yourself that said the MJ driver "wasn't all that".

Anyway, you've dragged me into this enough and I can see the direction its heading. You've made your decision on the sub you're buying. Do pop back and let us know how you get on Smile

 

Hi! No there is nothing wrong with your comments at all and i'm not dragging anyone into anything, you were the architect of your own comments and you conducted yourself the way in which you did and I don't remember twisting your arm up your back and forcing you to say those things I justated stated a material fact and it was you who entered this discussion of entirely your own bat.  So how you can say I dragged you into this is beyond me, I had nothing to do with any of your comments that you decided to write on this thread.  I havn't got time or energy to waste on this either all I wanted was advice on buying a subwoofer, not to get personal with a particular company.

  I have made a decision after much deliberation and have decided on the Paradigm Sub15.  I will post back here when I have tested this subwoofer.

 

What do you think of pairing two Paradigm sub 12's, would that be better than one sub 15, anyway I think after much heated debate, ROFL I ahve found my perfect subwoofer all I need now is the money, now thats another story.. :cheers:

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I think you misunderstand. When I say you dragged me into it, I'm referring to the comment you made about me which I proved to be incorrect. Anyway, I'm sure someone with first hand experience of the Paras will pop along to answer your question.

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Mr Big i would just like to draw your attention to t his comment at the end of the DXD-12012 product information.

**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

That would indicate to me that one DXD12012 should be compared to a sub18 not 15 and that just to clarify one DXD12012 has two drivers.  Smile

If you still can't see what is the best to get i can't help. Smile

Hi v1c

Looks like Mr_big can see the best :grin: -

I have made my final decision and the Reference 800 MKII Subwoofer it is.  This sub will blow the likes of the Phantoms, Paradigm's, Velodynes etc etc clean out of the water. That sub bass driver is a beast and is rated at a  low10Hz extension, which should be trouser flappingly good I was after monster bass well gang I have found the best neighbour fallout subwoofer in the world..  Consider nothing else fools.. You have been told so heed my warning, and weep if you have purchased anuthing else fools..

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

Rick you do make me laugh ROFL

My observations would be it's nigh on a Grand more , dosen't offer anything of significance over the DXD12012 on spec , it's only MK2  Smile   and absolutely utmostly importantly not been made by KEN KREISEL.

Therefore it can't be the best Smile

Like i said if you still can't see what's the best i can't help. :grin:

 

Hi v1c

Your welcome  :cheer:

Btw, i am not sure wheteher your latest "if you still can't see what's the best i can't help" is directed at the op or me. Anyway what do you feel is the best? Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

 

No idea who sad that, but thats impossible as is either an out and out lie or whoever said it is misguided, excusion ability being equal etc etc. An average measurement of driver surface area puts a 12 inch driver at about 450 cm2, while an average 18" driver will have around 1250 cm2. No way a KK dual 12 will out do an 18 in cone surface area.
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v1c wrote:

 

**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

 

No idea who sad that, but thats impossible as is either an out and out lie or whoever said it is misguided, excusion ability being equal etc etc. An average measurement of driver surface area puts a 12 inch driver at about 450 cm2, while an average 18" driver will have around 1250 cm2. No way a KK dual 12 will out do an 18 in cone surface area.

It's on the bottom of the DXD12012 product information page i linked to earlier in the thread.

You need to take it up with Ken (the inventor of the subwoofer) not me please.

 

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Hi v1c

Your welcome  :cheer:

Btw, i am not sure wheteher your latest "if you still can't see what's the best i can't help" is directed at the op or me. Anyway what do you feel is the best? Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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v1c wrote:
**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

No idea who sad that, but thats impossible as is either an out and out lie or whoever said it is misguided, excusion ability being equal etc etc. An average measurement of driver surface area puts a 12 inch driver at about 450 cm2, while an average 18" driver will have around 1250 cm2. No way a KK dual 12 will out do an 18 in cone surface area.

It's on the bottom of the DXD12012 product information page i linked to earlier in the thread.

You need to take it up with Ken (the inventor of the subwoofer) not me please.

Youll have to excuse Dan v1c, he goes by numbers, not the actual performance of the sub/subs in question. 

Whether a dual 12" can outdo an 18" really depends on the criteria that is taken into account, and how well both subs have been designed. 

I haven't heard the DXD12012 in comparison to an 18" drivered sub, so I can't comment on specifics. Dan hasnt heard the DXD12012, so he can't comment on that comparison either. I know that the DXD12012 annihilates a 15" drivered sub, and in many ways, the smaller DXD808 can outperform an MX350, so from that I can only extrapolate that the statement is quite possible. 

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