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RE: Paradigm SUB 15, Ken Kreisel 5000 Mark3

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Hi Mr Big

I feel that you should also consider JL Audio's Fathom f113 sub woofer. The Fathom f113 reproduces massively fast, tight and deep bass which is supported with great power, grip, drive and hard hitting dynamics  :twisted:

Btw, the Fathom f113's Automatic Room Optimization (A.R.O) also works a treat  Smile

http://www.jlaudio.co.uk/f113-gloss-home-audio-fathom-powered-subwoofers-96137

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

  Sorry have ruled out the Phantom F113 as it is too over priced, as a matter of fact I have their JL12W7 the 12 inch version of their 13 inch woofer in my car and I made the sub box for that speaker and it rocks as sitting at traffic lights I can rattle the adjacent cars windows to great wonder and wisdom from onlookers..  I actually sell JL Audio car components..  But not their home cinema end..
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Hi david,

I have not heard it i will confess. I just presumed  and from reading info that it being a KK sub it didnt go quite as low also having owned a pair of stacked MK subs. I have been following the thread over on AVF since the start and was very interested in the KK but asthetics ie height and PBK with ARC on my MRX made me go for th Sub15.

I think a lot of people are going to assume that the new Kreisel subs are going to sound like the old ones (lacking ultimate depth and a little lean) - its just something I'm going to have to educate people on Smile

While the DXD12012 is about the same size as an MX350, it outperforms the larger MX5100SF, and will certainly outperform a pair of stacked VX125's. It'll probably outperform four....

Every tiny detail about the new subs has been chosen for a reason. He has stayed away from excessively large roll surrounds and driver excursions, and purposely left out any onboard EQ (as requested by studios). He has also stayed away from the numbers game - a product can look amazing on paper, but specs aren't the be all and end all. An amazing amount of work has been done on the drivers too, from reducing mechanical noise to improved cooling. 

Look out for UK reviews that will start coming through next month.

DavidF @FrankHarveyHiFi, Coventry.

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The Jamo D600 subwoofers look

The Jamo D600 subwoofers look to be very promising for the money, but the only problem is I cant seem to be able to purchase the Jamo D 600 Subwoofer on it's own as it comes as part of the D600 speaker package. :boohoo:

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God whay did you have to go and mention those Jamo D600 subwoofers.  Well they do look the business but can they churn out the lows with aplomb and accuracy THX isn't everything it is just specifications at the end of the day and i'm after low end grunt I dont car as to asthetics of the subwoofer as long as it can be felt thats all i'm interested in.

Son_of_SJ wrote:

Earlier in the same May issue What Hi-Fi said of the 15" Jamo D600 subwoofer "It's fast and accurate, and capable of truly sofa-shuddering bass"

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So will these Jamos D600 subs be as good as the Paradigm surely not? I mean the price difference for a start or will these Jamos maybe be as good well now i'm totally confused, and dontk know what to do as I could buy two Jamos straight away and have money left over to take the G/F out or buy her new stilettos she would absolutely love that part yee haaaaa, lol..

I don't know whether two Jamo D600 subwoofers would be as good as one Paradigm Sub 15, which costs about the same as two Jamos. Perhaps a dealer who sells one or the other might tell us!

Here is the What Hi-Fi review of the Jamo D600 subwoofer and here is the What Hi-Fi review of the 5.2 Jamo D600 speaker package and here is the same text and pictures that appeared in the Home Cinema Choice review. In the interests of balance, here is a review of the Paradigm Sub 15 and this is another, American, review of the Paradigm Sub 15 and here is a link to the manufacturer's website.

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RE: Paradigm SUB 15, Ken Kreisel 5000 Mark3

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi Mr Big

I feel that you should also consider JL Audio's Fathom f113 sub woofer. The Fathom f113 reproduces massively fast, tight and deep bass which is supported with great power, grip, drive and hard hitting dynamics  :twisted:

Btw, the Fathom f113's Automatic Room Optimization (A.R.O) also works a treat  Smile

http://www.jlaudio.co.uk/f113-gloss-home-audio-fathom-powered-subwoofers-96137

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

  Sorry have ruled out the Phantom F113 as it is too over priced, as a matter of fact I have their JL12W7 the 12 inch version of their 13 inch woofer in my car and I made the sub box for that speaker and it rocks as sitting at traffic lights I can rattle the adjacent cars windows to great wonder and wisdom from onlookers..  I actually sell JL Audio car components..  But not their home cinema end..

Hi Mr Big

I am going to differ with you on the Fathom f113's price because i feel the Fathom f113 is fairly priced. If i felt that this wasn't so then i can asure you that i wouldn't support the Fathom f113.

Anyway please be nice to other cars, drivers and onlookers :grin:

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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Mr Big i would just like to draw your attention to t his comment at the end of the DXD-12012 product information.

**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

That would indicate to me that one DXD12012 should be compared to a sub18 not 15 and that just to clarify one DXD12012 has two drivers.  Smile

If you still can't see what is the best to get i can't help. Smile



 

 

 

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Hello again Mr Big,

Is your head spinning yet? It just occurs to me that nobody has commented on one of the subwoofers that you mentioned in your very first posting, the B and W DB1, which you'll know has TWO 12" drivers so you may want to look at this very favourable B&W DB1 review and also at this more detailed and equally favourable DB1 review. It may also help to look at this REL Gibraltar G1 review, featuring warm applause and at this short statement of the REL at CES 2012.

I stress that I have no personal experience of any of the subwoofers that I and others have been recommending to you. The only ones that I have physically seen are the two second-hand REL Gibraltar G1's . I do own the smaller (SVS PC12-Plus) brother of the SVS PC13-Ultra.

With your approximately £3,500 to spend on one or two subwoofers for a room of 20' by 20' by 8', which is large but not huge, I'm pretty certain that all of them would be fine! As to which of the various combinations mentioned in this thread would be the best, I simply cannot say. Again, judging from my experience with the smaller SVS subwoofer in a room which is about three-quarters the size of yours, with the volume control at about -9dB on my Denon receiver (it goes from -80dB to +15dB) that's about as loudly as I would play any Blu-Ray film, because the floor- and wall-shaking is already, at -9dB (with another 24dB to go!), alarming enough with most films. So I'm really not sure that you need TWO subwoofers for your slightly bigger room.

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Son_of_SJ wrote:

Hello again Mr Big,

Is your head spinning yet? It just occurs to me that nobody has commented on one of the subwoofers that you mentioned in your very first posting, the B and W DB1, which you'll know has TWO 12" drivers so you may want to look at this very favourable B&W DB1 review and also at this more detailed and equally favourable DB1 review. It may also help to look at this REL Gibraltar G1 review, featuring warm applause and at this short statement of the REL at CES 2012.

I stress that I have no personal experience of any of the subwoofers that I and others have been recommending to you. The only ones that I have physically seen are the two second-hand REL Gibraltar G1's . I do own the smaller (SVS PC12-Plus) brother of the SVS PC13-Ultra.

With your approximately £3,500 to spend on one or two subwoofers for a room of 20' by 20' by 8', which is large but not huge, I'm pretty certain that all of them would be fine! As to which of the various combinations mentioned in this thread would be the best, I simply cannot say. Again, judging from my experience with the smaller SVS subwoofer in a room which is about three-quarters the size of yours, with the volume control at about -9dB on my Denon receiver (it goes from -80dB to +15dB) that's about as loudly as I would play any Blu-Ray film, because the floor- and wall-shaking is already, at -9dB (with another 24dB to go!), alarming enough with most films. So I'm really not sure that you need TWO subwoofers for your slightly bigger room.

Hello Son_of_SJ Of all of the replies yours seems to have been the most sensible.  But I ahve made a decision which I think has answered my prayers and seemingly they make the sub bass drivers for REL and such like subwoofer manufacturers, remember I was thinking of purchasing the Velodyne with the 18'' base driver well guess what there is an English hand built in the UK subwoofer manufacturer you may have heard of them, so lets buy British and help our own economy but it isn't because it is British i'm buying this subwoofer it's because they make the best subwoofers in the whole damn world and this subwoofer is the Reference 800 MKII Subwoofer.  So gang this thread is now closed kapeech, zilch, nada. Replies no more fools, except for Son_of_SJ who was very helpfu . I have made my final decision and the Reference 800 MKII Subwoofer it is.  This sub will blow the likes of the Phantoms, Paradigm's, Velodynes etc etc clean out of the water. That sub bass driver is a beast and is rated at a  low10Hz extension, which should be trouser flappingly good I was after monster bass well gang I have found the best neighbour fallout subwoofer in the world..  Consider nothing else fools.. You have been told so heed my warning, and weep if you have purchased anuthing else fools..
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Replies no more fools, except for Son_of_SJ who was very helpfu .Consider nothing else fools.. You have been told so heed my warning, and weep if you have purchased anuthing else fools..

Has Mr Big suddenly become Mr. T?

Crazy Fools.........

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Mr Big,

I presume this is the MJ Acoustics Ref 800 MK2. 

I have not heard it but did own a Ref 1 MK3 which was a stunning sub woofer. Many people have not heard of MJ or will slag it off saying their subs are made by BK. They are not,they are designed and manufactured soley by MJ and they are fantastic subs. This sub does  indeed look like a beast and I would love to hear it in action. 

Please let us know how you get onwith it as I am intrigued. 

All the best 

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Mr Big i would just like to draw your attention to t his comment at the end of the DXD-12012 product information.

**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

That would indicate to me that one DXD12012 should be compared to a sub18 not 15 and that just to clarify one DXD12012 has two drivers.  Smile

If you still can't see what is the best to get i can't help. Smile

Hi v1c

Looks like Mr_big can see the best :grin: -

I have made my final decision and the Reference 800 MKII Subwoofer it is.  This sub will blow the likes of the Phantoms, Paradigm's, Velodynes etc etc clean out of the water. That sub bass driver is a beast and is rated at a  low10Hz extension, which should be trouser flappingly good I was after monster bass well gang I have found the best neighbour fallout subwoofer in the world..  Consider nothing else fools.. You have been told so heed my warning, and weep if you have purchased anuthing else fools..

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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v1c wrote:

Mr Big i would just like to draw your attention to t his comment at the end of the DXD-12012 product information.

**Please note that two KEN KREISEL 12” drivers approaches or equals the cone area of a single 18” driver

That would indicate to me that one DXD12012 should be compared to a sub18 not 15 and that just to clarify one DXD12012 has two drivers.  Smile

If you still can't see what is the best to get i can't help. Smile

Hi v1c

Looks like Mr_big can see the best :grin: -

I have made my final decision and the Reference 800 MKII Subwoofer it is.  This sub will blow the likes of the Phantoms, Paradigm's, Velodynes etc etc clean out of the water. That sub bass driver is a beast and is rated at a  low10Hz extension, which should be trouser flappingly good I was after monster bass well gang I have found the best neighbour fallout subwoofer in the world..  Consider nothing else fools.. You have been told so heed my warning, and weep if you have purchased anuthing else fools..

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

Rick you do make me laugh ROFL

My observations would be it's nigh on a Grand more , dosen't offer anything of significance over the DXD12012 on spec , it's only MK2  Smile   and absolutely utmostly importantly not been made by KEN KREISEL.

Therefore it can't be the best Smile

Like i said if you still can't see what's the best i can't help. :grin:

 

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ric71 wrote:

Mr Big,

I presume this is the MJ Acoustics Ref 800 MK2. 

I have not heard it but did own a Ref 1 MK3 which was a stunning sub woofer. Many people have not heard of MJ or will slag it off saying their subs are made by BK. They are not,they are designed and manufactured soley by MJ and they are fantastic subs. This sub does  indeed look like a beast and I would love to hear it in action. 

Please let us know how you get onwith it as I am intrigued. 

All the best 

 

Hi! ric71 Yes this subwoofer would be the Ref 800  MK3, it has a real world low of 10Hz and thats gospel but the driver can be found for £454 on it's own if youy look on line I don't know what to amke of this subwoofer to be honest so it will be a case of either the Paradigm or this MJ 800 Mrk3 Acoustics subwoofer..

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paradigm sub 15 or mj acoustics 800 Mk 2

Ok gang back again and just want a vote what do you all reckon on which subwoofer would you buy for the money both are relatively same price point.

 

Would you all vote please would you goo for the Paradigm Sub 15

or the                     MJ Acousticcs Reference MJ Acoustics 800 Mrk 2   

 

I would like to know what you all think of which would you reckon would be the better subwoofer as the MJ Acoustics subwoofer driver unit can be purchased for not much cash so i'm wondering is all the money going on the hand built cabinet, lol..  Whereas Paradigm would have a factory mass producing these things possibly, so more money going into the their proprietary driver technology..  The sub abss driver in the MJ is 18'' and the paradigm is 15'' would a dealer maybe cast their thoughts but please i'm not interested in dear old KenK 5000 Mk 3.

 

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RE: Paradigm SUB 15, Ken Kreisel 5000 Mark3

I would like to say a big thank you to the two contributors v1c & Son_of_SJ, who gave their advice and now maybe thinking about the Paradigm Sub 15..  the driver on the MJ Acoustics doesn't seem to eb as robust as the Paradigms, anyone know the difference..  Anyway looks like the Paradigm is the sub of choice after all..

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