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This can be plausible but Terminator lore has never given us the chance to have an ageing terminator or certainy an idea of one.  Let me expain my reasoning.

In Terminator 2 they make it clear that the terminator was intercepted and reprogrammed into a good guy, this is the same machine that was sent to kill Sarah Connor.  Problem is that Arnold was clearly aged and no explanation given.  Then in Part 3 (the one we all wish never happened) he is sent back again but more aged. Once more, no explanation give as to why he was aged and is also the same machine in part one, again we are told he is sent back for sentimental reasons.  Now unless we are saying the rebels caught him, stored him in a cave and then programmed him when needed? That could work, but there was no indication it was true.  

Now I can totally believe your version with the cave etc and it would be cool if they explained that, but so far there is no suggestion of it.  So an aged scientist in the future is more plausible as he would fit in, rather than have CGI Arnie or worse.

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This can be plausible but Terminator lore has never given us the chance to have an ageing terminator or certainy an idea of one.  Let me expain my reasoning.

In Terminator 2 they make it clear that the terminator was intercepted and reprogrammed into a good guy, this is the same machine that was sent to kill Sarah Connor.

Err, no it wasn't! *A* Terminator was captured and reprogrammed, nowhere do they claim it's the same one. If they'd intercepted the original Terminator it would never have gone back in the first place to try to kill Sarah Connor.

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Problem is that Arnold was clearly aged and no explanation given.  Then in Part 3 (the one we all wish never happened) he is sent back again but more aged. Once more, no explanation give as to why he was aged and is also the same machine in part one, again we are told he is sent back for sentimental reasons.

Again, no, John Connor even asks him if he remembers him and the Terminator tells him "That was a different T-800 unit" and that his model was chosen specifically because John Connor would have an emotional attachment because it looks the same. That's not the same as saying it IS the same machine. Because it isn't.

I'm afraid you've completely mis-heard/mis-understood what's going on, it's a different T-800 in each film.

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Now I can totally believe your version with the cave etc and it would be cool if they explained that, but so far there is no suggestion of it.  So an aged scientist in the future is more plausible as he would fit in, rather than have CGI Arnie or worse.

I'm just saying the idea of Arnie as a scientist is ridiculous both from an acting point of view and the plausability of it, when was the last time you saw a scientist that looked like that?

Besides, the machine that looks like its creator is too much of a lift from the Alien franchise (Lance Henriksen, specifically).

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I'm just saying the idea of Arnie as a scientist is ridiculous both from an acting point of view and the plausability of it, when was the last time you saw a scientist that looked like that?

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I'm just saying the idea of Arnie as a scientist is ridiculous both from an acting point of view and the plausability of it, when was the last time you saw a scientist that looked like that?

Exactly! A pregnant Terminator would just be ridiculous!

Forgot Emma Thompson was in that...

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When they say they captured a Terminator, I always interpreted that as the original Terminator. That particular machine was modelled around the scientist. Even Kyle Reece says that human skin was grown to make them harder to detect.  If we had the same cloned skin/flesh on all then that would mean they are easier to spot, which clearly is not the case.  They must be all different by that logic and hence the machine captured was the one originally sent back. I accept that films have plot holes.

Interesting though because you can read into that more deeply as you did, yes I accept it could be another, but that makes no sense.  Let’s just not get into the time travel mess that is The Terminator, otherwise we will be talking about Chaos theory before you know it.   

excellent!

John Connor asking him about the T-800.... This is the part I say you could be correct and maybe I have misunderstood it.  Then again I did watch it a while back now.... right time to crack it on!

 

 

 

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No, there is more than one "model" of T-800 but only a limited number of different ones, so many of them will look the same. Think about it, chronologically speaking the first Arnie model John Connor sees is the one in Salvation (because at that point they haven't captured a terminator and sent it back in time) and that one is destroyed, so there's no way the Arnie's could all be the same terminator.

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Absolutely, no question it's a different terminator in each film. 

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Absolutely, no question it's a different terminator in each film. 

Thank grud for that, I was starting to question myself for a minute there <shudder>.

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Yep completely correct in saying it's a different terminator in each film. That's how I always thought it was and to suggest it's the same one in every movie makes absolutely no sense simply because of the plot holes that open up if that's the case.

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Well the key plank of T2 is skynet gets where it is because it's experimenting on the original terminator's arm and chip!

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Thats true, the arm should have technically vanished, like in back to the future with the picture.

 

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Thats true, the arm should have technically vanished, like in back to the future with the picture.

 

No it shouldn't, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME TERMINATOR!

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My prediction? Arnold will say 'I won't be back'....in the next movie.

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I remember renting Terminator in my teens, then going to the garage/video shop first thing the next day to extend the rental. Great film...

Duaplex - I think the Terminator had to go back to his room after the crash to fix his hand... Trigger finger wasn't working so he'd be a sitting duck. I think the strange thing is that he actually booked a room, surely he could've found an abandoned warehouse or something.

 

Terminator 2's weak link for me was John Connor (Ed Furlong). Too much of a brat, not really a future warrior/leader type. On the whole a good film, but started to drop too many cheesy lines.

 

Terminator 3, I watched once and can't really remember much.

 

Terminator Salvation was eagerly anticipated and I wasn't disappointed, Christian Bale was the main pull in this film, the Terminator at the end was ominous again.

 

Terminator Genesis - I hope Bale will be a part of it. If Arnie's in it, I hope his role has no dialogue and the main thing for me is to keep it serious. Too many films nowadays are ruined when they add humor to the script when it doesn't have a place.

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I remember renting Terminator in my teens, then going to the garage/video shop first thing the next day to extend the rental. Great film...

Duaplex - I think the Terminator had to go back to his room after the crash to fix his hand... Trigger finger wasn't working so he'd be a sitting duck.

What are you on about? Duaplex is talking about the arm that's left behind after the first terminator is crushed at the end of the first film, that's what cyberdyne are working on in the second film. The terminator in the first film has to remove the damaged human eye covering in his room, that's why he takes to wearing sunglasses for the rest of the film to hid the glowing red eye underneath but that's neither here nor there for this discussion..

 

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Terminator Genesis - I hope Bale will be a part of it.

I've not seen any mention of him in the casting news.

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