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RE: New JL Subwoofers

Hi ellisdj

The Fathom f113 is worth every penny of its retail price Smile

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

If you are after clean bass ellisdj, a Ken Kreisel DXD sub is what you should be looking at.

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

ellisdj wrote:

I have been recommended a Velodyne SPL 1200 Ultra over the SVS SB13 Ultra ??   The many glowing reviews of the SVS making it very appealing depsite having an SMPS Power Supply

I do not need any of the eq in the Velodne so there is a chunk of the cost of it watsed on me

I use to own the Velodyne SPL 1200 R (previous model to the Ultra), which was very impressive.....but they've had a serious price hike in recent years.

Paradigm are also worth considering....I've heard the Seismic 110, which is the best small Sub that I've heard.

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

There is some interesting reviews on home theatre shack - Sub Zone.

The DXD scores really well but the SVS SB13 ultra comes out on top on distortion figures to 28hz - my expected range

 

I am going to see if i can get a home demo of the SVS and the JL f112.

I use / setup a sub differently to most - hard knee house curv. 

I want good output at 30hz - most sealed subs taper off in their response that low so thats why i think the svs will suit this better. That appears linear in its response to 30hz which is amazing really for a sealed sub. with room.boost it should give me the response i am after

Will see if the JL is worth the extra and if it can do what i need.

I am.sure the f113 will but the extra cost pushes it so high

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

Hi Drew_C

Even some of the most ardent fans of DXD subs now like JL Audio sub woofers Smile

All the best

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

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JL f112.

Hi ellisdj

Excellent sub Smile The Fathom f112 also happens to be the first JL Audio sub i was made aware of thanks to fellow bass freak MattSPL and the first JL Audio sub which i heard. Crazy and yet a scary level of performance from a relatively compact sub :twisted:

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The DXD is a good sub too and always scores highly.  It is very precise in what it does and for most its a little undesirable, only because it does not behave like a sub you are familiar with.  Very clinical and clean like most of Ken's speakers, if thats your thing than the DXD is for you Smile

Personally having heard both, I prefered the JL and I was toiling between the E112 and the F112, now thanks to Rick I am thinking of the F113!!

Sound and vision did a pretty good review on Subs, worth a read!

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I'd disagree with the word 'clinical'. Precise and detailed maybe, and due to these qualities, there's no exaggeration of the signal it/they receive. If you haven't heard one, I would highly recommend you do, and for the price of some of the JLs, two is possible, which is a whole new ball game...

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

JL's have torodial based PSU's that makes them hugely atractive and the f112 appears to have a linear resposne to about 20hz from what I have seen.

This is what we want Smile

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

I'd disagree with the word 'clinical'. Precise and detailed maybe, and due to these qualities, there's no exaggeration of the signal it/they receive. If you haven't heard one, I would highly recommend you do, and for the price of some of the JLs, two is possible, which is a whole new ball game...

I have, a friend of mine purchased the stack. Smile I would agree that stacked they are something great.  But with them being shipped from overseas people will be hard pressed to hear them for themselves.  (I did email them with my concerns over that)

The JL is every bit as good, dare I say better!

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi Drew_C

Even some of the most ardent fans of DXD subs now like JL Audio sub woofers Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

Really, so infact they are downgrading there Sound Quality for what they think is something better then?

 

I know JL Audio subs are in fact quite good but you really do not understand how the DXD subs work in comparison to the JL Audio subs, SPL figures may look good but what that is doing to the Audio signal and transient response is certainly debatable  :O

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Hi recruit

Really, so infact they are downgrading there Sound Quality for what they think is something better then?

Hold that thought :grin:

Anyway, even some of the most ardent fans of DXD subs now like JL Audio sub woofers Smile

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MUSICRAFT wrote:

Hi recruit

Really, so infact they are downgrading there Sound Quality for what they think is something better then?

Hold that thought :grin:

Anyway, even some of the most ardent fans of DXD subs now like JL Audio sub woofers Smile

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

Is that because you're selling JL and not KK? :?

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give me a home demo of both and I will tell you what one is best Laughing

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RE: New JL Subwoofers

Hi bigboss

No Smile and as you'll have seen i also recommend products that we don't deal with.

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