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LOTR first impression

Not as bad as the American naysayers were claiming ; echoes of the Gladiator saga again . But then again if I were viewing on 100 inch screens I might see things differently . Anyway , if you were hovering on the brink of buying this then don't worry - it looks much better than the DVD . Fine detail on clothing make it seem like watching it for the first time . Only the sound disappoints slightly , being a bit too steely bright on the first instalment - the only seen so far .

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If it is better then the dvd it shouldn't be that bad because the dvd's looked great in my opinion, what sound mix do they get LPCM, DTS, or Dolby HD Formats

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All 3 films carry a DTS HD Master Audio 6.1 soundtrack, i can't comment on the quality of sound or picture as i've not got round to leaving 9 hours aside to watch them all yet lol.


 

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You'll never get those DVD's out of the box again after experiencing the blu ; there is simply so much extra detail to gawp at . Should I look at the individual strands of grass in the fields or the textures in clothing fabric ? Should I marvel at the vibrant colours or the patterns revealed in rock formations ? Some might argue that this detracts from the filmic experience - but then why did you buy that ginormous telly in the first place ?


Sound is 6.1 DTS MA by default ; no other options , nothing to fiddle with . Region A got stereo and a Spanish extra I think .


And I haven't mentioned ' extended edition ' , and I don't think I will either .

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Seems like the image is not that bad as described by the Americans then

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Not just the Americans;plenty of people I trust from the UK have said they're not what they should be. Reports indicate that they're not even as detailed as the HDTV broadcasts. I've compared some shots to a 720p rip and there's not much in it TBH. I'll be giving them a miss in any case. Hopefully they'll go back to the source and create new HD masters for the extended editions.

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I suspect some people wouldn't be happy unless the characters appeared 'live' in their living room Hmm

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Clare Newsome:I suspect some people wouldn't be happy unless the characters appeared 'live' in their living room Hmm

... and then every time you thought they'd done, kept coming back with 'oh, and another thing...'

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Clare Newsome:

I suspect some people wouldn't be happy unless the characters appeared 'live' in their living room Hmm



Lol. "Hello dear, how was your day? I'd like you to meet my new friend Gollum, he's a strange chap and may take a fancy to your rings. Oh and we're having sushi for tea."

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Scoff all you like, but surely we shouldn't just let studios slap any old rubbish on a disc and be grateful for it? Admittedly the issues mainly affect FOTR, but you'd expect a new VC-1 BD encode to look better than a low bitrate MPEG-2 HDTV encode, which doesn't appear to be the case. DNR, edge enhancement and blocking aren't the sort of thing you'd expect from a long-awaited high-profile release like this either.

If people are happy with it good for them, but don't sneer at those of us who want something more for our £40. Can you honestly say that you'd be happy to pay good money for this:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4505/lotr7bd.png

when this:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3821/lotr7tv.png

is shown on TV for free?

If you would, then it explains why certain studios keep churning out releases like this (and Gladiator, Dark City, etc) .

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Mentasm:If people are happy with it good for them, but don't sneer at those of us who want something more for our £40. Can you honestly say that you'd be happy to pay good money for this:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4505/lotr7bd.png

when this:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3821/lotr7tv.png

is shown on TV for free?

Err, am I missing something? The BD image looks to have much more detail? 

If you would, then it explains why certain studios keep churning out releases like this (and Gladiator, Dark City, etc) .

Dark City? What was wrong with that? Director's Cut, great picture, excellent soundtrack, it's one of my favourites! 

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Mentasm, we're not scoffing/sneering at all - very much committed to great-quality movie (and music) transfers here at WHF.

However, more time actually watching the Blu-rays and less time poring over internet screenshots (which tell you little of the actual experience - do you really watch a film freeze-frame by freeze frame? Also, what TV service? Which BD player?) would give a more balanced view on the subject....

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I had a quick look at this in HMV today, by the way i am not a fan at all but the picture did not look anything special also quite abit of grain better than dvd though.

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I agree with you to some extent Clare, and I freely admit that some people on certain forums can be a little militant. However, the whole point of Blu-ray is to experience films with the highest audio-visual quality. Why else are we paying the premium? If we're unconcerned with such thing we might as well go back to VHS. Screen caps can be very useful for identifying visual flaws and are often indicative of problems, if not entirely representative. These Blu-rays clearly have issues, which are readily apparent from the screen captures (although admittedly I've only linked to two). I spend plenty of time watching BDs and perhaps that's why I'm more susceptible to such things. As for which TV service, it doesn't really matter. The issue is that it looks better than the BD release, which isn't right. As for which BD player, that's not an issue either, because these caps come directly from the disc in an unfiltered form from very reliable sources.

To the_lhc, I guess you are missing something. The BD screencap I posted has far less detail than the MPEG-2 cap (that's the second one). DNR has all-but obliterated fine detail (the absence of grain is obvious when you look at the walls, the wooden arch, Gandalf's face and cloak), and there's a lot of edge enhancement in other caps. This indicates that the BD transfers were taken from old masters or were filtered to within an inch of their lives. Any 'improvements' you might think you see are down to contrast boosting and slight variances between the colours in the two caps.

As for Dark City, it's widely regarded as one of the worst examples of DNR on any BD release. Everyone looks like Odo from Star Trek DS9 and the DVD is similarly afflicted.

It's disheartening when stuff like this passes for acceptable (or even good) when it really isn't. Something like Braveheart is a recent example of a great remastering job, and I can't believe that was in worse shape than the LOTR films.

 

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LOTR has never had a good picture in my opinion (even on DVD) although the second two films look good.

The colour is all wrong. It was definitely not that bad in the cinema.

Sound on all three has always been top notch though.

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Mentasm:As for which TV service, it doesn't really matter. The issue is that it looks better than the BD release, which isn't right. As for which BD player, that's not an issue either, because these caps come directly from the disc in an unfiltered form from very reliable sources.

Love to know how these 'very reliable sources' get their screen captures 'directly from the disc' without any form of player...

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