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Front height or surround back for 5.1?
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Deciding between both. Pros and cons of each setup? Installation would be a lot easier for front heights though and look less messy. Don't know if there's much content for for front heights though

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Depends on receiver since any

Depends on receiver since any front height signal is conjoured from within.

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RobinKidderminster wrote:

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Depends on receiver since any front height signal is conjoured from within.

the receiver is Sony str-dn1040 also the HD-DCS sound mode seems to work well with front heights as it mentions using the seutp in the description as it mentions about helicopter sound coming from top speakers down to left+right slowly which seems cool. and other things too 

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Robbin Kidderminster is right

Robbin Kidderminster is right, the front hight channels is just the amp sending some audio to them. There are no movies with Matrixed or Descrete channels for front hights. Of course the manual will descibe the thing with the helicopter as it's a way of justefying the gimmic. I'm not saying front hights don't add a little hight deffinition but if you 4 surrounds are slightly above your head hight when sat in your viewing position sounds that are meant to be above you will be. How do you think it works in the cinema. Most cinemas don't have ceiling speakers as the speakers ar above you anyway.

If you are moving your viewing position closer to your TV, you can put your surrounds either side of you or as close as, depending on windows an so on and the SRBs can go behind you. You will get a much better surround field with fronts, surrounds and surround backs than you will fronts, surround and front hights.

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As others have said really

As others have said really. Think of front heights only after you have a proper 7.1 system. For 5.1, go for side surrounds. After that, 7.1 with rear surrounds (which then guarantees every film coded in 5.1 or 7.1 is correctly sent to the speakers). And only then, for 9.1, think of front heights (although I would prefer Dolby Atmos at this stage).

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bigboss wrote:

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As others have said really. Think of front heights only after you have a proper 7.1 system. For 5.1, go for side surrounds. After that, 7.1 with rear surrounds (which then guarantees every film coded in 5.1 or 7.1 is correctly sent to the speakers). And only then, for 9.1, think of front heights (although I would prefer Dolby Atmos at this stage).

 

Side surrounds aren't easily implemented in my living room. I'll try link a photo so you can see why 

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nope. fk*** site still has

nope. site is playing up still. no photos!

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Please....

PLEASE whf - sort out these photos.

Sorry I misread. For 5.1 no contest. For 7.1 maybe, but unlikely. At worst if rears are difficult to accomodate I would look for small satellites on skeletol stands rather than front heights. Oldboy (here when he is not napping) recons front heights expanded the front soundstage but he has a very decent 7.1 setup and 9.2 receiver. I tried front heights in a 7.1 setup admitedly only half heartedly but found little extra.

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RobinKidderminster wrote:

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PLEASE whf - sort out these photos.

Sorry I misread. For 5.1 no contest. For 7.1 maybe, but unlikely. At worst if rears are difficult to accomodate I would look for small satellites on skeletol stands rather than front heights. Oldboy (here when he is not napping) recons front heights expanded the front soundstage but he has a very decent 7.1 setup and 9.2 receiver. I tried front heights in a 7.1 setup admitedly only half heartedly but found little extra.

how much would a pair of those stands be for small satellites such as the minx min11? if i moved my sofa forward about 2 feet i could have room for stands behind me and wouldnt need to wall mount them which could work. if i was in a proper house with a bigger living room i would get a 7.1 setup for sure but since space is tight and room is awkward layout i can't accomadate the 7.1 Sad  if i got a projector in the future i may have to sell my bookshelves and get a pair of satellites as surely the projector screen would be blocked by the speakers on stands which you can see in photo. not making any decisions yet but i dont fancy sitting 4-5ft from tv and from 12ft away 46" picture is a bit small. (drifted the topic sorry :p)

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My opinion is to have 5.1

My opinion is to have 5.1 with height speakers. 5.1 is plenty in an average living room, but the height speakers gets you ready for Dolby Atmos. So just read up how to implement overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos in the home.

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FunkyMonkey wrote:

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My opinion is to have 5.1 with height speakers. 5.1 is plenty in an average living room, but the height speakers gets you ready for Dolby Atmos. So just read up how to implement overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos in the home.

Not much point as Nugget's amp doesn't suport Dolby Atmos so won't read the Codec on any BD carrying Dolby Atmos. For the size of his room and speaker layout restrictions, hights won't really make any difference

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Glacialpath wrote:

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FunkyMonkey wrote:

My opinion is to have 5.1 with height speakers. 5.1 is plenty in an average living room, but the height speakers gets you ready for Dolby Atmos. So just read up how to implement overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos in the home.

Not much point as Nugget's amp doesn't suport Dolby Atmos so won't read the Codec on any BD carrying Dolby Atmos. For the size of his room and speaker layout restrictions, hights won't really make any difference

 

is there any wireless satellite speakers that I could use it surround?

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nugget2014 wrote:

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is there any wireless satellite speakers that I could use it surround?

Sorry mate I've never looked into any wireless speakers so I wouldn't know. Seriously for your first surround sound set up I would keep it simple. Get to know and understand the tech. It's great that you have asked so many questions and you've had lots of responce. No offence as it's what the site is for but you seem to be trying to run before you can walk. 

Don't take it from me it's just an opinion. You have a nice amp and a nice set of fronts. Your room is a little restrictive which is not your fault. ao you need to get the rest of your set up and learn to get the best out of it. When you get yourself a nice mantion then get what you like.

Again I don't mean to tell you what to do, it's just an observation. Tech is moving on so quick it's hard to keep up.

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Glacialpath wrote:

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nugget2014 wrote:

is there any wireless satellite speakers that I could use it surround?

Sorry mate I've never looked into any wireless speakers so I wouldn't know. Seriously for your first surround sound set up I would keep it simple. Get to know and understand the tech. It's great that you have asked so many questions and you've had lots of responce. No offence as it's what the site is for but you seem to be trying to run before you can walk. 

Don't take it from me it's just an opinion. You have a nice amp and a nice set of fronts. Your room is a little restrictive which is not your fault. ao you need to get the rest of your set up and learn to get the best out of it. When you get yourself a nice mantion then get what you like.

Again I don't mean to tell you what to do, it's just an observation. Tech is moving on so quick it's hard to keep up.

Been contemplating if I should move setup to other side of room where radiator is but would having cables there be an issue? Could have them separate more for a better soundstage and have room for sub in corner. Although I would have to re arranged whole room!

 

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Kef does a wireless module

Kef does a wireless module which can be connected to existing speakers.

http://www.kef.com/html/gb/showroom/wireless_solutions/universal_wireless_system/overview/

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